I've never believed much in cables, that said... (USB)


So, in 30+ years of being an audio geek of sorts I've never believed much in cables.  I've always felt once it's a decent gauge and quality (think basic Mogami XLR's and Canare 4s11 speaker) that they don't make much of a difference.  I do try occasionally and try to read the science to see if it makes sense.  

Over the years there have been a couple cables I thought MIGHT have been different (not better or worse, but different).

1.  Gregg Straley Reality cables - these are a solid core and I believe he cryo's them.  I felt the speaker cables MIGHT have brightened things up a bit.  60/40 on if they did, but I'm pretty sure they did.

2.  PS Audio AC3 power cables on my amp.  I inherited this cable with a used amp purchase so said what the hell, I'll try it.  Don't think it did a thing on the pre-amp.  But, with two different amps, I THINK it opened up the soundstage a bit.  Reading about it, I think that the whole highs/lows shapes of cables doesn't make a lot of sense.  But I did think it might make a big enough difference.  For what I essentially paid for it - I kept it and use it.  If anything it looks cool and does stay in the outlet with a vice like grip.  


That said.

Just got my first outboard DAC (oppo sonica) and started with a cheap USB cable then tried an audioquest cinnamon, clearly a difference to me.  I was shocked (and bummed in some ways). But it was obvious, so I tried an audioquest carbon - and yes, again I'm pretty darn sure I heard a difference and it was better.  Everything did have more separation and clarity without being brighter (which is what I thought speaker cables might have done).  This was clear.  It still makes little sense to me (0's and 1's).  I've tried to look at tests like at ASR... but man it's the first time I really felt I can hear a difference.  

Might try the PS audio power cord on the dac, but that means changing on the amp... so not sure if it would be fair or not!
dep14

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@dep14 - The generic USB cable has some basic issues...

- Signal and power in the same cables causes noise, which may degrade USB chip performance
- USB power from the computer is noisy and inconsistent - again degrade USB chip performance

Best way to solve those issues is to use a dual lead cable...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-supply-and-USB-cable-separate-audio-signal-cable/251589388236?rt=nc&a...
or
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&u...

This also allows you to connect a more stable power supply i.e. IF the DAC uses USB power. My DAC did and the improvements using a separate power supply were very noticeable

HOWEVER -  If you DAC does not make use of the USB power provided through the cable then  a more standard USB cable could be used. 

Having said that, using a Twin lead cable will ensure no noise enters the digital stream to degrade sound quality. 

So I looked up your DAC and found this detail about the USB chip used...
- "optional (not required) external power supply."

So you might want to contact the DAC manufacturer to find out if they make use USB power from the computer. Do NOT assume that the DAC does not use USB power because there are some very good (pricey)  DAC's that use USB for expediency.

Many DAC's these days have stopped using USB power from the computer because of this issue
 
Perhaps other members can confirm either way.

I can confirm that a good power cable for your will improve sound quality - also good interconnects.

When I had a separate DAC my cables cost more than the DAC, but the improvements proved just how good todays components can be.

Just an FYI: ALL cables suffer from complex issues - see...

https://www.psaudio.com/article/cables-time-is-of-the-essence-part-1/
https://www.psaudio.com/article/cables-time-is-of-the-essence-part-2/
https://www.psaudio.com/article/cables-time-is-of-the-essence-part-3/

Hope that helps

Regards - Steve