Before Thyname or anyone else starts to insult me as a shill for Amir, let me state I'm not a member of his site. I didn't even know who or what ASR was a year ago. According to some members I committed the ultimate sin by suggest Amir was right about something. Anyway, as for measurements, I don't think it's correct to say they are "bogus". They are clearly showing something, but weather or not that something is important could be debatable. A lot of this bickering could be put to rest is more manufactures would simply publish their own measurements to back up their claims? For example, PS Audio makes this statement about the PP 20. "The P20 features an ultra-low impendance analog power amplifier and FPGA based DSD engine that delivers the cleanest, lowest noise sine waves of any regenerator in the world." So would it kill them to includes some with and without test results that back up the statement? Low hanging fruit for Amir? Just pointing out the obvious?
I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements
My expensive shoes have measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will they fit. My expensive new suit has measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will my expensive new shoes match.
The people being misled by measruements aren’t being led my manufacturers, they are being misled by reviewers. Idiotic rankings of digital gear based on measurements outside the range of human hearing. Cancelling entire brands who put out features customers actually want as they sell to humans, not bats. The worst of these websites will rant about their own superior $$$ equipment but mot even one person will ever use speakers in a klippel matchine, they actually put them in a room! The horror. The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.
You need to measure what matters! Are the customers actually happy? Is the warranty honored? Most importantly is their an in home audition period?
I don’t need someone to tell me if I could or should like a product. My room is not a test bench, or a klippel machine. Who cares what the component measures by itself because unless its a clock radio I’ll never use it by itself, I have to interconnect it in a "system" with "high quality" cables, (as in all cables are not the same).
If you want to measure something measure how your personal system of curated components interact with your room. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you could forget because these days if a brand overpromises and under delivers they will be following a formula for losing money, an no company likes that.
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@thyname Why does it bother you, and many others, when I ask for claims to be proven? If a manufacturer claims impedance is lower, or the noise floor is lower, or .........., is it too much to ask for the proof? I have very little interest in ASR reviews for the most part. I have searched for exactly two, as I was interested in all and any reviews of these two items. The PS Audio PP was one and a step down transformer bt Equitech was the other. In both cases ASR APPEARED to show the units failed to provide the claimed benefits. I asked PS to comment directly on the ASR report. I've already posted their response. Your vitriol towards me is unbecoming and uncalled for. |
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@thespeakerdude Just trying to inject a little humor into a thread that has lost it's way. Clearly there are two or three camps when it comes to measurements. I would guess that anyone on this forum is into serious hi fi and knows something about putting a system together. Some members more than others. I only profess to be a music lover and don't think I've ever used the title Audiophile. Funny how adamant some members can be when discussing a particular subject. Been guilty a few times myself. But on this subject, and I see there are at least two other measurement threads on the go right now, it's been fully discussed and dissected in the first dozen or so posts. We all get it. Don't think anyone has changed sides yet? Bottom line is this. If you like measurements, use them, and if you don't, then ignore them. Now everyone go outside and enjoy some fresh air. 😁 |
@thyname Sorry buddy, too busy with my real life to waste time with your nonsense. |
@kota1 Measurements have never impacted any of my purchase decisions. I'm not an Audiophile, I'm a music lover. A such, I find specs somewhat important. I wanted to know the watts per channel and distortions levels of my amps, but I was more swayed by written reviews, comments from other owners, reputation of manufacturer etc... than a bunch of technical charts that I honestly don't care to fully understand. Where measurements have impacted a buying decision, is when sites like ASR do a review and post a bunch of measurements that appear to contradict the claims of a manufacturer. In fact one of the earliest threads I started was asking the question "Can ASR reviews be trusted?" I had never heard of Amir or ASR but they were suggesting the PS Power Plant did nothing for your system. total waste of money (their words). So I came here to find out WTF was going on. I never really got a straight answer as to why Amir's measurements were not valid. Not even from Paul at PS Audio. So for me, measurements are interesting, and I would really like manufactures to publish technical data to support claims. I guess one place where I do pay attention is frequency response with speakers. I think that is one case where the measurements of the load a speaker is looking for is a very useful toll to determine if a particular amp will be well suited. For example, the Acoustic Zen Crescendo has an almost flat line at +/- 6 ohms. Easy to see it would be a perfect fit for my tube amps. Hope that makes my position clear and Thyname came find a new target. I think jerry123 is always looking for someone to disagree with. 🤣 |