How much will you pay for an exotic cartridge....


I noticed on another forum that there is an interesting point brought up by a US distributor/dealer about his perception that one of his potential customers bought a top end cartridge ( that he reps) from an off-shore dealer/source...and how he intends to try and stop the practice of ’grey market’ sales. ( At least for the lines that he carries).
This gent seems to believe that because he signed some paperwork somewhere that may ( or may not) give him exclusive rights to distribute the gear in the US, that he has the right to try and prevent anyone abroad from selling to US customers! To that, he wants to have the manufacturer try and enforce his right to do the above. Now, one could ask, what’s the issue with this, right? And here’s the rub, the dear distributor is adding over $8K to this product for the simple task of ordering and having shipped a cartridge from Japan ( Yes, i know the shipping of such a large and heavy item is expensive...and the dealer has to stand by the product...whatever that means when we are talking of a cartridge!) The profit motive is high here, and the opportunity to fleece some of the US consumers is also...so i get that, but to come on an open forum and complain about the practice that one of his potential customers did such a thing....is an interesting marketing tactic, IMO.
So, my question is this..how much will you pay for that exotic cartridge to insure that you are buying it from a "legit" US rep, and not from a grey market...or in this case out of area dealer....what’s fair to you...a few $$s- or the sky’s the limit??
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Facts and theories, Facts can be assumed to be ''true statements''.
But not all statements are truth-functional. That is those can't be
considered to be either true or false (tertium non datur). 
Well an enumeration of facts is not a theory. Theory is an attemt 
to explain the facts. Our problem by such attempt is implicite or
explicite mixing with personal valuatinon . As stated before value
judgment are not truth-functional. They can make ''sense'' but only
in the context of an culture or customs. Consider ''watershed'' 
between digital and analog sound. By CD introduction anybody
was convinced: ''it is done with analoge''. However our forum is
a proof that this is not ''the case''. Aka ''not true''. 
Similar to CD-versus-analog is the case with ''digital'' versus
traditional market. Our on division of labor based society means
that assumed skills for the old- are not sufficient for the ''new
division of labor''. Older people have difficulties to accomodate
to ''digital revolution''. This may explain the fact of dealeship which
 is ''fade away'' and buying on internet. Skills are also ''factual'' 
we can't assume them if they are not present. Not everyone has
chaksters skills to buy on inretnet in order to save his (modest)
means (grin).








Contracts apply only for the parties involved. The ''third persons''
can't claim any right to others contracts. Judicial simplification
is the reduction to ''creditor'' and ''debtor'' relation. So the importer
has an contract with manufactirer with mutual obligations . If one
of bouth commit default the other can bring charges against him
according to the involved national or internation (private) law. 
Those implay judicial procedures which are costly so the practical
solution is dissolving of the contract. Without mutuall trust there is
no honest relation possible.  At present with ''on line'' product
distribution the relation  is ''reduced'' to direct contract between
producer and buyer with the same ''general'' contractual obligations.
On priciple that is. The seller should publish his liability. 



 


I agree  with each statement chakster made . My personal
experience with Reed tonearms owner/designer Vidmantas
confirm his assumptions regarding the reasons they prefer
an importer in each (big) country. I advised direct sell to the
customers  because the intermediary get about 60 % of the
retail price. I hate them more in particular Japanese kinds.
But Vindmantas was not able to pay for advertise  and PR
for his products and also needed help from someone who
at least was capable to write in English. But as one would say
''your problem is not my problem''. Anyway I still refuse to pay
those intermediary and try to avoid them as those with infectious
diseases. The only difference beween us is that my ''limit
price'' for a carts is higher : $ 3000.