How much do you have to spend, to get a good Sub?

Would like to buy a new Sub Woofer. How much for a Good One and which Brand? For music only!
Hi Don,
I recommend Acoustic Audio HD-SUB10 Powered 10" Sub-woofer from Ebay. I paid $75 for each. I've bought it for experiment, and I like it very much! If you have really big room, buy 2. They sound better(may be equal) than Velodyne two SPL10 in my studio(36'w x 44'L x 18'h) for music.

I am a Newport Beach Audio show exhibitor, and I've taken V spl8s2, V optimum 10, and HD-sub10 to the show. I used V spl8 for show because it's smallest. My room was small.

I have Velodyne Optimum 10", SPL 10", SPL 8 s2, SPL 10 s2, SPL 12 s2, CT-120, CT-100, M&K-200, Energy 10", 4 bass shakers, etc.
It depends on your rest of system.
SVS 12 " sealed subs start around $650. They have a great rep and are outstanding performers on the test bench. The 12" Rythmiks are about $100 more (last I looked), also test very well, and perform beautifully in my own system.

The caveat with subs (for me) is always integration. The odds of successful integration are IME much, much higher when you use digital bass management software like Audyssey (or the equivalent).

That raises two issues:

Are you comfortable with that approach?
Have you budgeted for that approach?

You can replace your preamp with an Audyssey XT 32 (their top version software) enabled pre-pro from one of the mainstream Japanese hifi companies for app. $1500....if you're willing to go that route. If you're not enthusiastic about that idea, HK makes a similarly equipped integrated amp for similar money.

If you prefer the traditional 'Phile's purist high end approach, I'd think twice about adding a subwoofer. Many here will disagree, so, as always, remember


If you are buying new, a good subwoofer that will be relatively easy to integrate into your system (which requires, as others have noted, that the subwoofer have some sort of automatic room correction software) will run between $2400 and $3200, minimum -- cost goes up from there for bigger drivers and a little deeper response. Good brands to look at include JL Audio, Velodyne, and REL. I would caution against buying an off-brand without auditioning it first -- a lot of them are just glorified boom boxes.
What's your budget? For music I'd go with a pair of sealed subs. You can get a pair of SVS SB12s for $1149 and free shipping. Tough to beat I'd think. I echo Marty's point about incorporating some form of integration software. Best of luck.
I am thinking of a M&K X10 sub ( M&K inventors of the Sub) any thoughts?
"What's your budget? For music I'd go with a pair of sealed subs. You can get a pair of SVS SB12s for $1149 and free shipping. Tough to beat I'd think."

I have to agree with Soix on this one. The performance/$$$ ratio is very high with SVS.

Not enough info for an informed decision. I would need to know your requirements, the room size,your loudspeakers, and current sub before I could make any kind of recommendation.
Check out SVS SB-1000,at $499 it is a real bargain. They have a 45 day return and free shipping. They are a great company to deal with. I used that sub with Harbeth's with great results.
I'm in love with my new JL Audio F113. I actually got it off of this site for about a grand off retail. I paid around $2700.
If the sub is for music only, then obviously quality is an important consideration.

The biggest hurdle to quality bass in most rooms is the room itself. It imposes a peak-and-dip pattern on the sub's output that you cannot avoid. You can move the sub and/or move the listening position and change the peak-and-dip pattern, but it will still be severe. You can equalize it and get it much flatter in one location, but in doing so, you've made things worse elsewhere because the peak-and-dip pattern changes dramatically as you change listening locations. That's not to say that improvements can't be made by these means, only that they do not address the inherent acoustic problem.

The approach I suggest, if possible, is to use two small subs instead of one big one. Two small subs spread far apart will each generate a different in-room peak-and-dip pattern, and the sum of these two dissimilar patterns will be significantly smoother than either one alone. Todd Welti of Harmon International wrote a paper on optimum symmetrical placement of multiple subwoofers:

Welti's paper -skip to page 28 for conclusions

Personally I prefer asymmetrical placement but the main thing is this to have multiple bass sources spread far apart. That will improve the bass smoothness at all locations within the room, not just at the listening position, and will make equalization more likely to be a global solution instead of just a local one. Two subs is twice as smooth in-room as one (and four subs is twice as smooth as two), and imo this offers a greater subjective improvement for music enjoyment than going with a single twice-the-price ubersub.

I have a pair of Eminent 8B speakers with a room size of 13X22 FT. I also have a 12" D-Box Sub right now.
Shelby+Kroll Woofer Monitors are designed for use as a music sub. 10" 300w Bash amp that will play fast, low and clean.
For music, I really enjoy my Vandersteen 2Wq. I have a pair of them now, but started with one. It is designed for music, not home theater. You should review the product info on the Vandersteen web site, since this sub has a unique hook-up scheme. This helps to smoothly integrate your mains with the sub. You will need separate amp and preamp, or an integrated amp with pre-outs and power-amp inputs. The sub costs about $1500 new, and you will need to purchase an in-line filter for another $125 afterwards. It has adjustable Q, but no room EQ. Instead, it is designed for best performance when placed in a corner, which is where most people put their subs anyway. Also, your mains will have to have decent output down to 40Hz. I like these so much that I base all system upgrades around them. They are in my rig to stay.
A used REL can do the job...mine was missing grill cloth (easily remedied) but otherwise is fine, works perfectly, and I can't imagine not having one. It's a Q150E Ebay score that cost around $200 a couple of years ago.