how much better is the kuzma 4 point then my TTW Jelco


Guys I am a vinyl newbee- I have the Dr fieckert Firebird table that came with the TTW Jelco avro  arm- Was thinking of upgrading to the Kuzma 4 point-Will I notice a HUGE difference or not- thanks
fluffers
Nope
Here's another take...yes.
maybe 
What cartridge are you using?
I measured it very carefully.  The answer is 4.
It all depends on your personal definition of "HUGE difference". 

Let's put it this way ... the 4Point and the Durand Talea were the two arms I used when when developing my new drive system.

The 4Point has a different presentation than the Talea, and it runs the possibility of revealing flaws elsewhere in your system that could easily drive you nuts.

Feel free to contact me about these or other arms (with the usual "I'm a manufacturer / dealer disclaimer).

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier Design
I would choose Kuzma 4Point assuming your turntable will allow it to be mounted.  
I have owned several tonearms. A walker linear, a Reed 2a and 3P, a few VPI's, Durand Talea and a kuzma 4 points to name most. While I no longer own the 4 point it was/is an exceptional tonearm. Once mounted, easily set up and adjust to great accuracy. A pleasure to tweak. Only bested, in my view, by the Durand. The kuzma 4 points will give you continuous years of enjoyment. Only down side is it can be difficult to mount. As was the case for me. On my table it had to be mounted in the second tonarm position. I simplified and no longer use two arms. 
I'm just saying ✌️🖖
@whatthe , i wonder how would you rate Reed 3p among your Talea and Kuzma ?
Chakster, The Talea and 3P are very similar in design, instalation and set up. The Durand Talea in my view is much better designed, easier to install precisely and adjustments are a pleasure. Making it my first choice. The kuzma 4 points would be my second. This is just my view.
I'm just say'in ✌️🖖

I too owned the Talea. It is a fabulous arm. I now own the 4Point.

Both these arms have azimuth adjustment. As far as I know the Jelco does not.

Once you've owned an arm with azimuth adjustment, and been able to 'dial in' the diamond on the end of the cantilever, you'll rarely use anything else.

For me, female voice needs to be perfect. With azimuth adjustment, you'll almost drive yourself crazy. However, once you get there, it's like a complete system overhaul.

If you don't mind spending an entire afternoon, or sometimes an entire weekend, adjusting alignment, side rake angle, down force, and yes azimuth, then the 4Point is great.

If your not a tweaker, or your system doesn't change with minor adjustments, then stick with the jelco.

Billy

PS until someone purchases the rotating headshell patent (RSLabs A1 tonearm (I believe now owned by Sikura Systems), and gives the patent to Frank Schroeder), then we are all dealing with the 'second' best tonearms on the planet. I broke my A1 a few years ago, and am still crying.

The Jelco  (at least in TTW guise) does have an azimuth adjustable head shell.  The AVRO is a step up from a standard Jelco, but it's not as good as a 4 point or a Phantom.
4 Point is the ugliest tonearm i have ever seen at this price point.   

I think Reed 3P is the best in terms of flexibility (azymuth and VTA on the fly are amazing). This tonearm is easy to set-up. Bearing system is unique and every cartridge sounds great on Reed 3P. Amazing build quality! 
Fidelity Research FR66
Some wonderful tonearms referenced in this thread. One key piece of advice I give my customers is that the arm you interact with and can most easily set up is the best arm.

If you think about it, this is as it should be, because you’ll be more inclined to dial it in and ultimately, at this level of resolution, the best set up tonearm will bring the most smiles to your face.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier Design
4 Point is the ugliest tonearm i have ever seen at this price point.
I'll drink to that 🤓
Dear fluffers: Why do you want to change your tonearm? what do you not like about? It’s not a good match with your Charisma cartridge? Do you already know/experienced the top potential of that tonearm/cartridge combination and think that can’t be an improvement?

Change an audio item just " by change it " is any one privilege. You can improve that today combination in many ways with out changing the whole tonearm: a change for a diferent build material/weight headshell, changing the wires between the headshell to output cartridge pins connectors, changing the tonearm internal wires, changing the tonearm output IC cables to the phono inputs, changes in cartridge load impedances, fine tunning the tonearm/cartridge set up, etc, etc.
Did you try it?, worth to do it before thinking in a tonearm change.

Even before a tonearm change and for what is the 4P price you could have a better quality cartridge performer than what you own today.

Anyway only a diferent way of thinking about.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.