haha you guys are hilarious, but I am dead serious. |
thank you for your comments but with all respect to the 108 owners out there, the 109 really is better, it should be for the extra dough ray me ! |
haha, your funny
How many below have heard the Dynalab MD109 ???
$9000.00 tuner
I would say I have heard most tuners listed below and
would say all though they sound good/great, they are not in the league of
the 109 tuner !
One comment/writer below has accurately described the sound between the tuner and table. Table sounds less coloured for sure but dosen't have more detail and less dynamic. May have a bit more depth though.
The tuner sounds similiar but has more dynamics and colorations, but is intimate, and just sounds damn good.
Most listeners that hear the two riggs, agree tuner wins.
Some dealers at the last California Audio show used the 109 as the source for their demos, its that good ! |
I guess that explains it ?
Thanks for the insight !
I can't explain or understand how it's possible, that tuner could sound that good !
but it does.
That's why I bought this up. |
your missing the point big time ! |
Yes, sorry I thought my responses would be inserted where
I responded.
the jokes or laughs were about the comment about the lenco table. |
Had those mac tuners too, not bad just dont like the fat flabby bass.
mids and top end ok.
but in my opinion still not in the 109's league.
the comment about never spend $9000 Canadian or $7000 US
on a tuner is missing the point!
the question is how can a tuner out perform a turntable ?
my friends and I have more than 10,000 in table, and am shocked it dosn't seem to sounds good as his tuner109?
peace. |
Yes, your right! it ought to be for the price! but the sad thing is most of my hiend friends have more money invested in their vynal riggs :>(
I am shocked by this finding, and wanted to spread the word/ because I wish I would have known this before investing so much in vynal !!!
True, what is said about the disadvantages of listening to
radio stations; that you have to listen to commercials
and you cant choose what song you want to hear when you want it, but from a hiend audiophile perspective,
its a shocking revelation to me that the tuner is the highest quality source in two channel.!
this coming from a tuner/radio hater!
the only saving grace is that living in Toronto, we have many high quality radio stations, and can flip from station to station using the remote.
there I said it,
it really bruses my ego thou |
AAhhhhhaaaaa
I'll tell my friend to sell his 109 and blow off the dust of those MacIntosh units out of his closet and use them because there better.
that's funny, your hiliarious, maybe you would like to buy
those tuners from him? he can use some cash.
Seriously I guess there are no absolutes in audio
and one mans mediocracy is another mans excellence?
I am reluctant to tell what system my friend has because
of his privacy, but can tell you that his TT front end has a reputation to be very good.
He is using a fourway speaker that is quad amped thru a tube
electronic crossover using hiend end wire with a tube ref. preamp, hiend tube transformer coupled phono stage, 5000.00
moving coil cartridge, magnetic bearing turntable etc.
you get the picture?
I can assure his system is up to the task!
but this is only my opinion and my wife an tell u
I have been wrong before, so take it for what its worth?
later, |
Well sorry if raising this issue is nothing new, but it was an eye opener for me, and thought it would be interesting for others too.
You wanted to know what I'm listening for a stereo system,
no problem here goes, but Don't judge me on how deep my pockets are, but rather I call tell you i have building stereo systems for about thirty years and have alot of general audio experience.
My system is going thru a transition because I sold my house and am now in a smaller apartment.
Also I would like say, I build most of my stereo
components to save cash!
For example it my opinion finished speakers are the biggest
waist of cash, they are marked up big time.
I'm not so concerned with looks as sound, so I buy the best drivers available and connect to an electronic crossover
and anyone can compete with the very best for a song and a dance.
I do alot of dancing especially after visiting stereo salons or audio shows. :>)
my hunble system consists of
CD player- audiolab DCM8000 transport
Benchmark DAC
turntable-transrotor megnetic bearing Turntable
Shroder tonearm
Bluenote Boboli Special cartridge
Benz Lukaschek PP-1 Phono Preamp
Preamp Built by me but designed by an article in glass
audio, it was a stereo version so I doubled this
design to make a fully balanced vacuum tube
peamp. It uses a single 6080 triode tube but has
vacuum tube regulation and seems to be similar
in sound to something like Audio Research Ref.3
but without fancy enclosure or remote control :<(
Ampifiers; Three stereo amplifiers driving my three way
speaker system.
here is a big tip! for those who suffered me
this far.
Jeff Rowland uses class D modules like ice-modules if you heard of them and puts them in fancy enclosure and charges crazy money!
I found better modules and put together my own amplifiers
from a company in Europe called Hypex. They sell amplifier modules and power supplies that will render all Class A amplifiers obsolete in a few years. IMHO.
these amplifiers are incredible value.
If any one is thinking of buying a Mark levinson, Jeff Rowland or Krell, would be crazy because the reviews have
agreed that these modules sound similiar to accuphase classA amps but uses little power and run very kool.
Speakers; There again homemade, sorry
My house speakers were refridgerator size
double wall boxes that housed four 13 focal
woofers, tuned to 28 hz. four scanninng 2" domes
and a scanspeak
revelator tweeter in a MTM configuration.
Marchland 44 electronic crossover, 3-way.
All wires are the latest Cardas reference interconnects
and speaker wires, fully balanced.
My new apartment speakers will be a bit of a downsize but
believe I can save the same flavour using four 10" woofers
tuned to 28 hz. with a killer killer 10" volt midrange driver, and the scanspeak revelator tweeter.
Here another huge speaker tip!
For all you midfi guys looking to jump up to the big leagues
get a volt 10" midbass driver for midrange I believe model BM2500. Put it in a small sealed box just big enough to
physically insert the driver and add a scanspeak softdome
tweeter with capacitor for a 6 db crossover at 2000hz add
any subwoofer or bass boxes you like and you will be barking with the big dogs guaranteed!
the 10" Volt speaker is vary smooth so crossover doesnt need to be complex.
please us a softdome tweeter and leave those metal ribbon
things for keeping sandwiches fresh and not for music, ok.
This driver is very dynamic, transparent, very fast,depth thru your back walls, this ten inch driver uses the same magnet drive system as there 15 " woofer!!!
If you want to get really crazy buy two per channel and go
MTM and your done for life.
$100,000 speakers rarely use drivers of this quality
bloody shame.
Sorry for rambling, audio is my passion. |
Raul and Bicycle man, I thouoght exactly like you gentleman
before I heard it myself.
I think I will email Dynalab and ask them because they may have an explanation ???
Your point Bicycle man is right on, its the only conclusion
anyone can possibly make that has not heard the Dynalab 109 tuner!
Your great point is how can they sell such an expensive piece if they were not that good ?????????????????????.
I will admit that the two sounds are different! that's why my friend and I have come to the conclusion the the tuner is better, haha
turntable has more depth and is less coloured and at times, but tuner is way more believable !!!
Way more dynamic,
way more intimate (and thats shocking0, and more flesh and body sounding, than a table could ever dream of being.
those three elements are strong coomponents to similate live music IMHO. !!!
My personnel guess on the reason, is that the output voltage or strength if you will of the signal is way greater with tuner than the mv of a low output moving coil cartridge. I think that has something to do with it but am just guessing ???
Raul, that talk about listening to live music is insulting
and ridicoulous!
there is so much BS. in audiophilia that it's hilarious.
Also dont get it twisted, for all those audiophiles with lesser tuners, in my opinion they may not sound as good as a good turntable front end ?
I am only talking about the super tuners like Day Sequerra,Dynalab, and maybe the top of the line Accuphase
tuners.
Although the macintosh and scott tuners sound good they are just not in this league. IMHO>
I wish I could hear from other audiophiles who own both mediums to hear their opinions too.
peace
|
the amplifiers are transistor, preamp is tube nice combo;
also I don't buy the argument that his TT front end
belongs to that boring category, because I already mentioned that at times his table has more depth than the tuner, body is good and dynamics ok but not as good as the tuner; but in areas that are most important to recreate live sound the tuner dose a better job; IMO
If TT sound so bad, he would sell it and buy something else
but each move in the vinyl system has been an upgrade and he is not
interested in selling any pieces at this time.
vinyl is close to being max out.
the comment about this discussion being moot?
well that is always the case here on this discussion form
only because you can't all come and hear this comparison.
but, it is not moot if it just opens someones mind, and changes their preconceived notion based on audio BS. something
is learned, my intention and point is this, vinyl is no longer king of the hill(IMO) and diminishing returns should be considered.
I may downscale the vinyl medium, and with the cash get a 109 !
tuner is way more dynamic,
way more intimate (and that's shocking), and more flesh and body sounding, than a table could ever dream of.
those three elements are strong components to simulate live music IMHO. !!!
I am convinced that if a record or cd is playing from your CD player or TT, the radio stations same song will always sound better thru this 109 tuner.
I wish I knew why and how, but that is a fact and I am sticking with it !
until proven other wise, and if I hear something different
I will come back and report it and eat some crow.
peace brothers. |
Nithepill, thanks
I am not lossing my mind ??? haha |
like I said previously, I am not a tuner guy !!!
but because of the sound quality at my friends I'm saving to buy a used Dynalab 109 tuner!
Do not have a tuner at the moment, had a top of the line sansui 9900, and various macintosh tube tuners, even once had the dynalab 102 but the remote drove me crazy, ended up sell them all and listen very little to them because I prefered CD's and my vinyl collection to the commercial crap
they mostly play radio.
Never really missed the tuner.
Now just recently there are stations with new management playing better material, and the quality of the 109 is staggering, IMO.
So I am saving up for a used unit.
That's why I did not list a tuner, because I don't have it as yet, maybe in summer time if one comes up? |
Bicycle_man I will be glad to share the article and schematic
but it's late tonight, promise to get back to you tomorrow.
I'll have to dig it out and will take time.
Regarding your point about his turntable setup, thats a grey area that I cannot vouch for.
he has a 12 " arm and there is no mistracking what so ever,
dont tell anyone I said so but he using Dynavector XV-1s
I do know that VTA is critical; that most cartridges will lock in at a certain sweet spot, but the
tuner just destroys that vinyl front end so bad its embarrasing!!!
My friend is not an idiot, so I'm assuming VTA is adjusted correctly. ???
later, |
can't argue with what you said Mapman, this old dude struggles to hear above 16k anyways.
but it is surprising to me because many analog front ends here and world wide easily surpasses the $10,000.00 mark and still is
unable to match the tuner for sound.
What is also surprising to me is the signal on vynal is probably more direct , than a signal passing thru the air
with all the interferences, not to mention all the processing, and reprocessing to analogy and ranes as the
highest quality source I know of or experienced. |
I did not use ice-moduels if you read carefully.
Just mentioned them because more people has heard of them.
I used Hypex modules that are similiar but way better !!!
cheers. |
Bycle_man I just took a look at that Pas3 and although
it looks like a good up grade, would not do it unless you already have the pas3 and are on a small budget.
Here is the article I promised you, its from Audio Express Oct 2005; "Design a high performance Valve-Based line amp."
If you can get a hold of that article, after reading it you will know this designer knows his Stuff!
The only caution I have is that this circuit is very highly
microphonic so the main board must, Must be floating or else
the noise will be excessive.
It is not a beginners project, but the sonic rewards are great if you can handle it!
That said and if I had to do it all again, I really like the K & K stuff ! see http://www.kandkaudio.com
And would recommend there preamp kits especially phono stages !!!
good luck. |
sorry gentleman I had made an error regarding my preamp, I said it was form issue, dAudio Express Oct 2005 which is incorrect, its actually from AudioXpress Febuary 2004 issue and the article title is "A Low-MU Triode Preamp"!!!
thanks and sorry for any inconviences,
Regards Jim. |
In defence of my original stance that the tuner smokes anolog front ends I would like to state this fact.
Although the dynalab 108 tuner is a very good tuner, it is based on their older design, and if you could only hear/imagine the 109 is a totally new design and I would say in a completely different league from the sound of the 108!
And yes, I know nobody said that the 108 was better, but my point is, for all of you that have the 108,
congradulations because it is very good, but the 109,
I am just stating and am quite sure will destroy any anolog front end in the world regardless of cost.
IMO.
And to this day cant understand why, it makes no sence
but is just so. imo? |
bycle-man this is only a line preamp !!!
go back and re-read the what I had said, I did not say there was a phono stage in my preamp.; but I did recommend the K&Ktube phono stage.
Sorry for the confusion. |
Bicycle_man the 6080 is a dual triode, but both units are used per channel !
So for a stereo pair, two 6080 tubes are required; one per channel so cross chalk is not an issue.
It uses EL34 as CCS to regulate the plate voltage, Kool.
Since you sound serious, give me your mailing address and
I'll send you a copy of this article/schematic.
It's by Mr. Pete Millett, I have no idea who he is, but sounds to me, he really know his tube stuff !!! and is probably the most knowledgeable tube guy I have ever come across.
But as I warned, before, EXTREMELY microphonic, precautions
must be implemented, like floating sockets or boards, but the pain is well worth it. |
