How do you pay? Why?



I thought maybe some light should be shed on how we pay for our purchases here and why we do them the way we do.

Personally I’m not very enthusiastic about paying extra for convenience via Paypal. It’s really no quicker as the following transfer of funds to the bank being used takes 3-5 business days after the funds hit your Paypal account… and there's that sur charge as well.

Postal money orders are fine enough but depending on the price tag, several need be acquired very often.

Cashiers check (certified funds) is my pref. One stop shopping. Right at my banking facility and the funds are secured, if lost or stolen I have but to make a call to my bank. Ever try calling the Post office? You can't. Not directly anyhow

The problem I continue to see is the ‘time frames’ being reported by sellers about how long Postal money orders, and/or cashiers checks take to be posted. I keep hearing from one day to a week or more by some accounts for these MO’s and CC’s to be posted.

Maybe my bank is special, I don’t know, hence this thread. Always when I deposit MO’s or CC’s, the funds are posted to my account within 24hr, or the next business day… sometimes immediately, depending on the time of day they are presented…. Which is fine.

Personal checks do however take lots longer. I’ve been told as much as two to four weeks by my bank.

How does your financial institution handle receipt of certified monies like Postal M.O. & Cashiers checks?

Have you asked lately, or just go online later and take a peek?

These more secured funds should surely involve less time to post than personal checks... or why bother with them in the first place?
blindjim
Grant- The last time I looked at the BAX web site, they had a residential surcharge, so it seems that they must now pick up and deliver to homes. In that case it was a substantial additional charge, but in the past I have received a 42" plasma, a 32" CRT TV(!!) and speakers w/o any damage via BAX. With respect to USPS, there are weight limits and also a low value limit for insurance on international shipments ($600, IIRC). One higher cost alternative is to have the UPS store or Kinko's do the packing. I would double check, but since they are owned by the shipping co, they should not be able to claim inadequate packing. They ARE more expensive on the base shipping charge AND charge quite a bit for packing. Its really a cost-benefit analysis.

As far as problems with the transaction end, I have been burned once on condition (7/10 rated sub arrived fully functional but with 3 chipped coats of paint, dinged corners, and stained cloth) and once on a purchase ("seller" skipped with my $). I have had one outgoing shipment damaged (USPS paid claim after 6 months) and one incoming (UPS approved claim based on 3/16" shipping bolt badly deformed, showing package had been dropped from great height). I have had a pair of monoblocks arrive intact even tho they were both packed with one layer of bubble-wrap, in a single box, with only peanuts around them!!! I watched the UPS guy tumble a SOTA TT end over end down the ramp, and it was fine. I worked in high school as a shipping clerk, and I was trained as a scientist. I understand the physics and mechanics of shipping, so I am pretty darn careful packer. I've probably had 175-200 transactions, so my experience is better than yours.

In terms of payment methods, I agree, as a buyer I want to use pp if its a small item and/or time critical. As a seller I want a wire transfer or USPS m.o. OTOH, if the seller has lots of good feedback, I don't have a problem with a personal or cashier's check. I am most cautious, of course, with overseas transactions (sorry folks) due to higher fraud potential and possibility of misunderstandings, but I have bought from Australia, Hong Kong, France, England, and Hungary, and have shipped to Singapore, Australia, Italy, Spain and Canada, w/o any problems.

The system ain't perfect, but it sure beats getting 10 cents on the dollar in trade like the old days!!!

Raquel

"Anyone who ships a lot on Audiogon should open a commercial account with a professional freight forwarder such as BaxGlobal, as they have real insurance and expertise with high-value goods."

You may want to re-check your facts, or at least update them as they pretain to Bax especially.

I have an account with BAX GLOBAL... or I did until recently. Not only will BAX not provide more than $500 coverage, regarless the actual value, they will not ship loudspeakers or high end audio components.

My agent told me they were trying to make changes to those regards, but as recently as about ten days ago or less, they told me they wouldn't ship either a pair of speakers, or an audio amplifier... further, if they were allowed to do so, the only 'value' that could be declared was the $500.

I consequently closed the account at that point. have they changed to now shipping such items less than two weeks later?

Tvad
yes BAX will deliver to residential, and yes there is a charge... and for stairs too. Best bet is to just go pick it up at the terminal... if you do use BAX.

the way 'round with the other main dogs is going online and doing your shipping there. As a shipping label is then produced by your printer a pick up for it is also set. I found it a little tricky but it can be done. I just did exactly that when I sent my speakers out wwest recently.

BTW... all went well. I think it helps to have an account but I'm not sure.
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Interesting about the none acceptance of speakers or high end electronic gear. I had gotten a quote for a subwoofer a few months ago from BAX. They hit me up for a significant fee for excess value insurance, but they did accept it. Maybe things have changed recently. BTW, you will get lower rates with an account and on-line label production with Fedex; don't know about UPS.
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BlindJim: Good information. I will check with my dealers to see what they are doing re: Bax and alternatives.
tvad
...all you have to do is use the Fed Ex online 'ship page' and as things add up in your Fed Ex acct. the shipping price will come down accordingly.

Raquel
those 'criterium' have been in place now for some time. tony, my BAX rep called me nearly every month, and my question always was the same, "raise that declared value yet? shipping speakers yet?

Sadly, the reponse was always "Sorry, no." "Is that all you ship? would sometimes be added. "Yes", was always the answer. I'll continue to trust the govt. with tubes, cables, and odds and ends. Besides, a pair of ICs strapped to a pallet just seems wrong, and you all would stack something on top of it probably, thinking it was empty.
My comparison on rates was on-line vs. over the retail counter at Kinkos. It is about 15-20% diff, IIRC.
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Tvad ...you kill me. great stuff.

IIRC = Irespective to Internal Rate Comparison... silly.
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