How accurate are cable descriptions for your system?

Headphones can be useful when you need to be silent for the sake of someone else...

None of my 8 headphones compared to me acousticallt controlled room...

I will never go back to headphones...

Most people anyway listen their speakers in a living room or in a room not acoustically controlled...

Headphones sound is artificial....

But room acoustic is so complex to experiment with, i advise headphones over living room speakers...

You can get around the whole "room acoustics" issue with a good dac/amp and headphones.

A vocabulary based on subjective impressions is not enough...

But we must correlate our impressions about sound with an objective background, which is acoustic and psycho-acoustic vocabulary...

If not, "tasting" cables is, unlike tasting wine which is some form of a learned art, is an arbitrary description which no one could related to...Because of all the difference between room/system and hearing history and experiences between us...

But if i say this "cable" improve the " listener envelopment" / "source width ratio", LV/ASW ratio, without unbalancing the relation between high frequencies and bass but increasing timbre perception, i will buy it ...

If not, keep it....

By the way the worst thing to do is calling people cables believers or cables naysayers.... The two groups are wrong...Like the few objective zealots versus some subjective fetichists...

We must learn to listen before speaking.... Acoustic is the only encompassing objective background here, not mere electrical measures...

By the way if a cable change a too " tubby" sound in a more brightier one in one system , or vice versa, it is not enough to be proof that this cable is good in general , because his impact is related to a precise system unbalance problem which this cable help to forgot about but do not really solve, then a change here will not be a proof of an improvement at all for all system and for everyone...

It will only be a change which will seems for the better for someone...An improvement must be based on objective general solution and device control...An improvement is not a change...A improvement increase the way you relate to all aspect of sound, it is not a different "color"...

This is why we need to use acoustic vocabulary not an audiophile vocabulary inherited from gear engineering tasting marketing...

Sorry to correct you. but i am an advocate of the THREE main working embeddings control: mechanical, electrical and acoustical...

Then i will let you alone if you dont accuse people of being "cables naysayers" which is the most ridiculous acusation possible in an audio thread, not because cables dont matter, they matter, but it is secondary matter completely...

Only ignorance put cables difference on the same level that these 3 main important dimensions i just spoke about, and this is this cables obsession or fuses obsession , and fuse may matter yes, that makes audiophiles look like ridiculous...

Cables matter yes you are right but it is secondary...

It is not necessary to answer, you will not refute evidence by repeating that cables matter...They matter but not so much than you think...

Looking for costly cables BEFORE turning our attention on vibrations control, hight electrical noise flor, and acoustic , is  reflecting ignorance... Upgrading an already  basic good system BEFORE  turning our attention to these three dimensions is also ignorance...Sorry...Money for costly  cables and costly  upgrade dont replace thinking...

I usually avoid engaging folks who have a tunnel vision. Your singular purpose (evident from your 8K+ posts) here is to advocate and promote room acoustics. That’s your belief and I am A-ok with that! I do not wish to engage with you or anyone who clearly focuses on one aspect of system building and downplay everything else. That’s your prerogative and let’s leave at that, I respectfully request that you keep me out of your other worldly acoustics fetish fest!

Let me reiterate what you said before this thread get derailed by cable naysayers :-

When i say that cable are secondary, i means when you own great one it is over... And there exist great one at all prices like the gear...

Saying that cables is important as acoustic and are on the same level is pure ignorance of acoustic...

I am not a "cable naysayers" i am an acoustic experimenters...You are not...Buying gear and cables is not buying knowledge sorry....

This hobby is very subjective

• no two systems are alike
• no two listening environments are alike
• no two individuals hearing are alike
• no two musical tastes are alike

This hobby is very objective too:

mechanical control and electrical noise floor control and acoustical control are OBJECTIVE factors...

And forget audiophile gear inspired engineering marketing vocabulary, read about acoustic and psycho-acoustic vocabulary...

We learn to listen by acoustic listening experiments not by buying the gear and plugging it and hearing the difference and merely ascertain a difference with our past gear...This is fetichism not steps in the way of learning to listen...

What we listen to in a room is defined by rigorous already existing concept in acoustic...

If you get 10 guys saying what a cable sounds like and they all agree, or the majority agree you can bet that the description is a good evaluation. Now in your system they may or may not be as dramatic or more dramatic because it’s the interaction with the gear it’s hooked up to that makes a bigger difference.

Exactly!

And any cables improvement is minor , save if you own bad cables, compared to electrical noise floor control, vibrations control, and acoustical control...

Discussing cables is a plague among audiophiles, not because they dont made a difference but because they made one, a minor one... This focus our attention in a secondary factor among other secondary factors...The main factors are the three i just mentionned...

Cables and price tag of gear are only some blinders...If someone want to see clearly he must experiment with the three working dimensions of any audio system...At any price...

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