I have placed my order and the down payment now the anxious wait 😊. |
I am planing on visiting Charney audio to audition them. Volti seems to be an interesting option as I am reading that it can play loud unlike the Charney’s. Those with experience can please correct me in that. |
comparing just a couple.
the auditorium 23 cinema hommage and the line magnetic 812 .
the line magnetic was shouty and loud , the auditorium sounded open , easy , natural not shouty .
I am trying to find a speaker with a similar balance to auditorium but a lesser price point ...
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@rodge827
i don’t know , I have to visit Brian and decide .
I also want to talk to him about amplification for the speakers .
I am also going to be researching more about all the other brands mentioned in the above posts. I never knew there were so many horn based moderately priced speakers out there .
Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
really excited to dwell into the world of horns and set amps . |
The horning hybrid Aristotle seems to be an interesting option after talking to Colin in Nashville.
The dx-65 driver vs the pm-65 driver how much is the sound quality difference. I see a horning Aristotle in Audiogon with the dx-65 driver for a great price. Thank you |
Thanks everyone,
I have narrowed my quest of horn speakers with 300b set amps down to 2
charney audio with his electronics vs
horning hybrid with maybe tron electronics.
i don’t have the luxury of traveling and listening to multiple brands.
any input on comparison between the above 2 is welcome before I make my travel plans to listen to them .
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@alexberger
beautiful set up , great sound.
I am looking for something similar ...
thanks for sharing |
Decided to pull the trigger on Charney audio companion Excalibur speaker with Brian charneys custom 300 b power amp and l3 custom preamp . Thanks everyone for your help in making this choice |
@rodge827 the voxativ ac-2.6 |
@rauliruegas
yes my main system is the best I have heard in the last 49 yrs . Heard many systems in diff homes, shows and in company showrooms .
the ayre and magicos are true magic . I love them . Took me nearly 20 years of trying out multiple components before I got to the combo I have .
The Charney speakers with tube pre and power amps built by him will be my second system. I have heard the diff flavor of the horns , they are different, not better maybe not even as good ( yet to hear a horn system that sounds better than the magicos to me and that’s totally my ears ) . But horns offer something different esp in certain recordings which I haven’t heard in box speakers or planar speakers. My second system is to fill that void , and like I told Brian Charney they won’t be competing with my main system, but will be complimenting my musical experience in my house .
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Hi everyone,
I finally received my charneys Excalibur speakers and his 300 b power amp and preamp
based on audio note kits but made with higher quality caps and resistors by brian.
I have included pics in my system page .
i am not very impressed by the lack of bass and tonal harshness … I will be rolling tubes per Brian’s advice … any other recommendations…
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Yes I have been playing them for over a week now, tonal quality hasn’t changed . Ordered tubes from andy bowman vintage tubes per his recommendation and a pair of 300b western electric tubes after reading the review on stereophile. Hope they help time the harshness and clean up the sound. Any other ideas . |
@alexberger
I ordered the reissue , the one reviewed in the latest issue of stereophile. I haven’t got them yet. What’s playing is Chinese tubes that came with the amp .
also waiting for tubes from andy .currently all tubes are Chinese which came with the pre and power amp.
@rodge827
my room is 12 ft wide and 23 ft long , open in the back. 10ft tall
per Brian’s recommendation the speakers are 12” from the side wall and 18” from the rear wall. 84” between the speakers and 100” to the listening chair .
the floor is carpet , the walls are double drywall with green glue between drywall layers and hollow space packed with roxul .
acoustic treatment for now are a stack of 13” tube traps dead center between the speakers in the front wall and two traps halfway between the speakers and the listening position to reduce cross talk .
I am burning them 24/7 with the Ayre burn in disc
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2 weeks after I got my horns and tubes, they have burned in for over 300 hrs.
I have been working on room placement with help of Brian Charney the designer , and art noxon and jordon Goulette of asc . We have traded pics , done articulation and frequency sweeps in room and analysed them .
also have ordered better tubes than stock tubes from andy , of vintage tubes .
my experience to date .
the tubes and horn combination is “dirty “ hopefully the newer tubes will better it .
there is not much deep powerful bass. The vocals are little peaked.
this is in comparison to my ayre , magico Jl audio system tweaked to the nth with room treatment etc . Eg. Listened to Steve Earle at 85 db thru my tubes sounded loud and I had to turn it down . Now listening at 95db thru my ayre, magico and it’s so clean , I want to play it even louder lol . |
@roxy54
no I hadn’t listened to these speakers before buying them .
I had listened to horn / low watt tube combo in multiple occasions. Always at dealers . Never in the optimal position in my house . I heard a presentation of vocals and instruments that was larger than I was used to . These listening sessions were brief . Other characters which I like like sound stage and depth and weight of music were not my focus during these listening sessions .
I wanted a second system with the larger than life vocals and instruments. I heard about the charneys his matching tubes and also talked to friends who I trust who have listened to the charneys . Due to Covid I couldn’t make the travel so I purchased the speakers and electronics.
Trust me I think I have got exactly what I expected, the vocals are huge . One of my audiophile friends commented on the larger than life vocals . That was his flavor and he loved it . I am hoping with better tubes than the stock tubes I will be able to get cleaner sound . Tubes are noisy . I don’t expect deep impactful bass with the horns . And I am not going to mess the tonal balance and unique flavor by adding a sub . I hope to be very content with the charneys as my second system once I get the room treatment and tubes perfected . A great change in flavor to my main system perfect after a long exhausting day at work when u want to relax with a pour of whiskey and listen Louis Armstrong and Ella play at around 75-80 db. They will be in the room with you through the charneys. |
Need help please, got the charneys the companion , and the charneys 300b amp and preamp. Got the western electric 300 b tubes and nos tubes from andy at vintage tubes . Brian Charney came over to set up the system. I find the system lacking in bass and thickness of musical presentation. It’s thin and weak the presentation . My room is 12 ft wide and 20 ft long. How can I tune the system to sound good ? Should I get a pair of subs? Brian recommends against room tmt amd subs . I tried some room treatment it just killed the sound stage and weight of music .
any help appreciated in advance. |
@sbank No I haven’t listened in another system
or place . People who have heard it say it’s amazing and love it. Unfortunately I am not getting the same magic in my room . I am looking for advice with regard to tweaks like cables , room treatment, placement etc to try to get the magic in my room.
Yes they have all been broken in by playing over 600hrs. |
@sbank Brian agreed the sound was not what his system should produce . He wants me to visit him and hear first hand how his system sounds in his setup . He is a great guy . Always willing to work with you.
room treatment, Brian is against them . But I have talked to asc multiple times and we have measured the room, taken recording from the room and analysed . Again the horns and how they interact with the room is not everyday for them. They have recommendations, they recommended a soffit design for control of front end ringing . We r still working on room optimization. We tried tube traps in different configuration it just killed the music for me .
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@willgolf I am still working with Brian. I don’t think expecting Brian to take it back is fair . He is a great guy and has a great product. Only problem is I am not able to make it sing in my room .
not done yet lol. Not ready to throw in the towel. More room placement experiments, room tmt , subs … on the way …
will keep u posted |
