Honest question about cartridge vs. turntable performance.

How much difference does a turntable really make compared to the cartridge? Will I hear a significant difference if I upgraded my turntable and kept the same cartridge? Isn’t the cartridge 90%+ of the sound from a vinyl setup?

think of this question as a ratcheting kind of thing. where the cost of precision of each area of the vinyl ’system’ comes into dominance. as you rise through levels of turntable quality until you get to about $10k-$15k range for turntable-arm-cartridge combo’s there will be different aspects of the whole picture that will be dominant.

based on current price real production products (not DIY or Vintage).......under $1000 total mostly the speed of the platter and motor noise will be the dominant limitation. the arm, cartridge can’t overcome those limitations.

in the $1000-$2500 the motors and plinth/platter get much better, then it’s the arms that are where the compromises are and what is mattering most. any decent cartridge is limited by the arm.

above $2500 now the cartridge becomes a significant difference and set-up quality now becomes huge as the gross distortions are now gone and higher performance levels are realistic to expect.

at about $5000 now the motors and platters take another jump up in quality, and then above $7000 now some really fine tonearms can jump up. tonearms will limit or enable cartridge performance.......but there are exceptions. certain cartridges are giant killers that can be considered in this system price range.

above $10k it’s a crap shoot......too many variables to single out the dominant limitation. and everyone has a different opinion. it’s all degrees of good.

you can make a strong case that above $10k mostly you are hearing the motor and the refinement of the drive system. not so much which type as execution of concept. but opinions about exactly what is right on this subject is a very polarized subject. you have to listen and decide for yourself. lots of great choices at this level or above.

on the top of the food chain.........get to $40k and now it’s the motor and platter/plinth that separate and above that all bets are off. it gets really crazy.

 if there is surface noise when playing back vinyl (even after thorough cleaning) isn’t upgrading the table a nearly useless endeavor beyond a certain point since the noise floor improvement from a better table will never be realized?

not necessarily. you would have to do some testing to refine what is causing the noise. surface noise might be a few different things. the best approach is to first eliminate the obvious things before you start thinking about the platter or motor.

ideally you have a few Lp's and could hear them on a known properly performing turntable to get a reference for how they should sound. maybe even take them to a local hifi shop and ask them to play a short passage to find out (assuming they have a turntable).

or buy a new record that you confidently feel is likely quiet and properly pressed.

1--this noise could be as simple as some sort of gunk adhering to your stylus. heat from friction in the groove can cause that gunk to stick strongly. read up on proper cleaning methods for your cartridge.

2---could be the vinyl itself maybe with groove damage. or just a terrible pressing.

3---could be a loose cartridge mounting, or loose arm mounting.

4.---obvious noise from the platter or motor is unusual. typically you might hear some noise during very quiet passages, or maybe some 'sour' discontinuity during horn or piano sustains. but both of those things are lower level type noise, not in your face.