Help - Subwoofer Crossover when both REL T/5i & Marantz AV7702mkII have Crossover settings


System is:
* Marantz AV7702mkII
* Marantz MM7055 - driving Triad Silver Center, L&R Surround and L&R Back Surround in-ceiling speakers
* Marantz MM7025 - driving Sonus Faber Cremona L&R floor standing speakers
* REL T/5.1 Subwoofer

I used the Audyssey microphone on a tripod and Marantz's AV 7702mkII's on-screen software to set up the baseline. Audyssey detected that the Sub was too loud and I dialed it down to around 73dB until Audyssey was happy and said it was OK. I then ran through the Audyssey protocol twice. 

Here's my confusion.

The Marantz has a setting for the Sub crossover, with stepped settings ranging from 60 Hz to 250 Hz. Mine is currently set to 250 HZ, but I don't know if that was set automatically by Audyssey or if that's just where it was set by default or a previous setting when I first took it out of the box and set it up without knowing anything about what I was doing.

The REL has an infinitely variable dial for the Crossover that ranges from 30 Mz to 120 Mz. I have it set to about 55-60% of the dial's range because my ears thought that sounded best.

Here's the question: do these 2 Crossover settings compete with each other? If I lower the Marantz to 60 MZ (I'm thinking that only sends 60 MZ or lower to the LFE line?) does that mean if I raise the Crossover on the REL to 120 MZ (which does have an audible effect, although a bit boomy) it then takes all the Marantz 60 MZ-or-lower signal and reprocesses it to produce sound up to 120 MZ?

Likewise, if the Marantz is kept at 250 MZ and the REL at 30Mz, does that mean the REL cuts off everything above 30 MZ regardless, even though the Marantz is sending 250 MZ-and-below through the LFE?

Should I instead try to MATCH the Crossovers and some selective level? Such as Marantz 120 MZ and REL 120 MZ?


Unrelated question: The REL has a Phase toggle switch, 0 or 180. The REL instructions describe why I want the sub to be in-phase and which ever produces LOUDER bass is correct. But when I try it, I can't tell the difference (and I think I have pretty discerning ears).

Any other suggestions on how to tell? I am sure that my L/R Cremonas are phased +/- correctly and the wires to the five theater Triads are correct at the back of the Marantz. But my ceilings are 14 ft. high and getting up there to pull the speakers out to confirm that the tech wired all five correctly is a 4-5 hour job. So I'm hoping that he did it right. But if I'm thinking that whichever phase setting I use does not produce identifiable louder bass, might that mean that one or more of the Triads is out of phase with the others?


THANK YOU SO MUCH in advance for any opinions and assistance you can provide. This is a great resource!!!
ttcarrera

Showing 3 responses by erik_squires

TBC: Leave your sub at 250Hz.

If your AVR does not automatically set crossover points, then set them in the AVR to 80.

Leave your L/R speakers set to "large". Everything else set to "small."
Here’s the question: do these 2 Crossover settings compete with each other?


Yes, they do. If your sub has a crossover defeat switch you should use it, otherwise set it to the highest Hz possible, and re-run. Let your AVR set everything. I'd read the manual to see how much the Audyssey will do for you. If it does not set crossover points, then set everything to the THX standard, which is 80 Hz. If you have unusually small speakers, you can set it higher, around 100 Hz.

Also:

30 Mz


You mean Hz. :)
Small/large refers to the amount of bass they can output, not to their physical size. :)

The real choice is up to you. I'd let it run and listen for yourself.

Set to small, the bass will be routed to the sub. Set to large, they will run full range and the sub will only take on the LFE channel.

Different room correction systems have different levels of decision making. It may be that setting all to small and letting the sub handle all bass is just how it prefers to run. 

Your own ears will matter more. After calibrating have a listen, and set the speaker size, bass level and surrounds to personal taste.