Help setting up HT and Integrated Amp and Sub


Hi, all...
I have a bit of a hodge-podge system that I am trying to get set up and am having a brain-cramp determining the best way to wire things here...let me give a summary of the journey thus far:
- I live in a tiny little apartment, so my ancient full-range floor standing Polks do not fit, nor does much of anything
- Had a nice little home theater setup featuring Cambridge SoundWorks surround speakers and sub hooked up to a Yamaha RX-A700 HT receiver. Not bad, but I decided to get a little more audiophile as the quality was just meh.
- Bought a set of Harbeth P3ESRs and, wow, they are pretty fantastic...the sub became more important and so I replaced that with an SVS SB-2000.
So now I had the P3ESR, SVS sub and 3 Cambridge speakers (center and surround) driven by the Yamaha...not bad, but not great.
- SACD player (old Pioneer) died, replaced with Oppo BDP-103
- Got a Teac DAC to hook my Mac up to the stereo system
- Felt the P3s were underdriven, so got an Emotiva MiniX (pre-out from receiver into it onto the Harbeths)...sounded much better, surround and movies was bad though, so got 3 Cambridge Minx21s (very blah, but a bit better than the old ones) and left them hooked to the receiver...as is the sub
This was fine for a little bit, but I felt the receiver was really holding me back, so looked at integrated amps...tried a Musical Fidelity 3.5, but it doesn't like my power (even with a conditioner!), so gave it to my brother. Found a good deal on an Exposure 2010s2d and am where I am now:
- I want to connect the Oppo, the Teac DAC and the HT receiver to the Exposure, driving the Harbeths for quality stereo sound and leave the 3 other speakers connected to the HT receiver....but where do I connect the sub? If I connect it to the Exposure for use in music listening, I lose it from the HT setup so movies will suffer (as will the occasional surround disc I play). If I connect it directly to the Oppo, I need to play with the settings constantly and I lose sound level control (i.e. when I turn up the amp/receiver, it won't get louder too).
I did buy a fairly good quality RCA Y connector thinking I could run from both the integrated amp and receiver, but it introduced a pronounced hum, which I am assuming is a ground loop somewhere...

At this point I am getting all confused and it is annoying, as it is a feeling I am not used to. Anyone have any ideas on the best way to connect all this? I mean...I want pure audio through the integrated amp, with the ability to watch movies and play surround content through the receiver...
Thanks in advance!
Os.
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Showing 5 responses by erikt

I was in a similar situation as you - wanting to incorporate a subwoofer into a setup that has an AVR for movies (and the LFE output to the sub), but also ’better’ audio for 2-channel listening with an integrated amp.

It is too bad you couldn’t get the MF A3.5 int amp to work for you, because that amp has an HT Direct feature that would have allowed you to do exactly what you want w/o resorting to switches and such.

I couldn’t tell from the Exposure specifications whether it has an HT Direct (aka Bypass) feature or not.

If it doesn’t, then I think you have to use a manual RCA switch device in front of your sub with the outputs from the AVR and Int Amp.

I assume you plan on connecting your AVR L&R front preouts to one of the RCA inputs on the int amp to drive your front speakers?

If you could figure out the hum issue with the A3.5, that would be, imho, the cleanest solution.

I also have an Oppo player: hdmi connected to my AVR, and L&R analog outputs connected to my Musical Fidelity A5 int amp for CD inputs.

HDMI w/ AVR selected for movies: the A5 amps my front speakers and the sub is controlled from the AVR.  For music, AVR is off, Oppo drives the A5 CD input, A5 preouts drive the sub for clean rocking music goodness.

If you'd like to see diagrams I've done up that show the connections in my system, I can post links here.

It all works slick and clean, no cable swapping, no switch boxes, no hum.

It could be your previous attempt to hook both the AVR and Int amp to the sub failed (eg the hum) might be because the Exposure doesn't have a true HT Bypass.  Meaning its HT input is really a unity gain connection that still passes thru the preamp which would result in the pre-outs being active at the same time as your AVR subwoofer connection.

So the switch approach is probably your best bet.

I have a MF A5 int amp with an HT Direct connection which when selected completely bypasses the preamp section of the A5 so that it only functions as a power amp.  Therefore no signal is outputted from the preout L/R connections.

This allows me to hook up my sub to both the AVR subwoofer output and the L/R preouts from the Int Amp.  No hum, no switches - works perfectly.

If I'm listening to music, source devices are connected directly the A5 and the AVR is off.  The sub gets full range from the A5 preouts and I use the sub xover, phase, and volume.

If I'm watching movies thru the AVR, I select the HT Direct input on the A5, the preamp gets bypasses, no signal from the A5 preouts, and the sub gets the LFE signal from the AVR and its bass management settings.

I’d also verify that the Exposure Int Amp has ’true’ HT Direct when you have your AVR front preouts connected to one of the inputs.

With the sub connected to the preouts of the Exposure, you should not hear any signal at all if the Exposure ’bypasses’ its internal preamp section.

If you do hear something from the sub, then the Exposure has a unity gain design and the AVR L/R preout signals are still going thru the Exposure preamp section (and hence the Exposure preouts to the sub).

This may explain the hum with your "Y" connection from both the AVR and the Exposure to the sub.