Help, moved and very unhappy the sound of the syst


In the new room the hole excitment level of the system dissappered. My heart rate no longer races, and I truly miss this. Any ideas would be very helpful.

What I have done,

Current room, 26x14. 9ft ceiling at listing position(back wall) 12 foot ceilings at front. The front of the system is in the middle of the long wall. Glass patio door prevents using the length of the room, due to sunlight on tv.

System-
Myryad MPD 500 pre
Bryston 9b amp
Phase Tech PC 9.1 as mains
Phase Tech PC 3.1 as center/rears
HSU VTF-2 sub

It was suggeste that I try a new sub, so I got a Revel b15. Basically no improvement, just no life to the system. Improvement was less than 5%

So I started plotting everything. Found that I had large dip 12db around 63hz. I am a little confused on how to fix this, with sub or front mains so I started with the front mains. Pulled them out from the wall until I got a good plot from them. About 5 feet from the wall, this room is 14 wide, looks funny. But I live alone so who cares. Got the plots to improve to atleast a +-6db range. The system sounds better, but no where close to before. The previous room was an apartment, much smaller. 16x8x9 or so. I had a large glass fish tank in that room, front of tank was 6x2.

I really just do not know what to do next. The system has no heart racing ability. A larger amp will not do much unless I really go big, Brystons 7bs. Talked to stores, Bryston and Phase Tech. Phase Tech basically said "huh thanks for telling me"

With the speakers way out from the wall the 2ch preformance better. Getting weird reflections I think though.

I ended up using the pre amp crossofer at 80hz having the revel low level crossover set at 40hz, letting the revel take all the real low stuff, using its high pass to send the rest to the Hsu(40-80hz). The system is still missing 75% of the heart jump starting ability.

Thanks for the help.

Marty
marty9876

Showing 2 responses by lthkeepr

Marty, I'm sure everyone is trying to be helpful(but probabaly confusing..as they're mostly guessing), but the reality is you should be prepared to do a lot of studying, and a lot of experimenting, trial and error!...and I mean a lot!!!! Or, your best alternative, possibly makes even more sence...PAY SOMEONE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO set up your system!!!
There is simply WAY TOO MUCH going on in a given room/system to try to guess, and to think your going to solve your acoustical challanges without a tremendous amountof knowledge, skill and experince! There's really no replacement for these things, and it takes TIME!(and desire).
I have done over 1000 systems in the last 20 years, and can say all this as the gospel truth.
Sometimes people get lucky on their own, but it's rare. When you consider the considerations to be adressed in attaining great(even good) sound, it can be very imposing. Most just settle for mediocrity, or switch gear untill they just give up.
Anyway, if you ever want definitive solutions, try giveing someone who knows what they're doing a call, and be done with it. Otherwise, be prepared to dig in and make it an extended hobby/project.
Good luck
Marty, let me just qualify my statements a little bit further here...If your looking for some answers to fix things on your own, and that is your goal/interest, if you persist, in time I think you'll likely solve a good deal of your challenges and difficulties your having, yes. Like anything else, if your ernestly looking for the answers, your going to find them!!
Your main goal here if indeed your having a "hole" at around 63hz range, is to get the speakers involved with covering that frequency in a better possition to bring that frequency up! Your sub will definitely have to be doing that frequency well in conjunction with your listening possition from what your telling me your crossovers are set at(80hz...?). Actually, this is largely correct setting for more traditional set-up's such as yours. You should be crossing over the mains(which can't do proper justice to full range DD/DTS signals really), and letting a powered/active woofer(s) do the bottom end for sure. STILL, I've found time and time again that, unless your mains are balanced well in that critical 60hz-100hz reigion(or the other speakers as well really..they're all important to balance evenly), your likely going to have problems at the crossover! This usually results in a perceived(and realized) "hole" in that reigion, and lack of pressence, dynamics, and impact where it counts a great deal!
You sub also needs to be set up where it couples with the mains and blends, balances, and "sync's" or coheres with them from your listening possition. This task is also rarely pulled of by even the most seasoned audiophile tweekies unfortunately.
Location, location, location,..is definitely the more significant factor for getting proper sound from ALL speakers. I can't stress this enough. If you get the speakers placed right, the rest of the stuff is comparatively easier, and you're way ahead of the game. Actually, to an extent...really, the other acoustic considerations take some time to understand and master as well. But the speaker possitioning and relative set-up is still the main thing, besides the gear itself of course(50/50)....
.....You know this stuff wer're talking about here is really where the game is at for building truely top notch, even world class, audio and video set-up's! There's a lot of great gear out there, and some of it works better in some situations/rooms/applications than others. However, that only goes so far, and most people don't know that. They spend time getting excited about learing about all the hot ticket, "A" rated products and what not out there, then attempt to put something together. And that's fun, it's all good. However, most people can only ever see this far, and think that, just because they plunked down their hard green for the best, most highly rated products at any given price, means that they're going to have great sound(or picture). And of course, there's a lot more too it.
So, I appreciate when someone takes the time to consider help with set-up, speaker placment, acoustics, etc. It's the most least understood, recognized, considered, or pursued among considerations regarding Audio or HT systems among the vast majority of the consumers out there for sure.
But don't loose heart, I've found most rooms to be at least "workable", with of course acceptable compromises...and there's ALWAYS compromises.
Hey, if you are indeed serious about learning setting up speakers, learning "EQ'ing"(sometimes needed in HT systems largely). room acoustics, indepth room theory, tips, tweeks, design, etc.., you may want to consider contacting the master, Russ Herschellman in San Francisco, and finding out when one of his next 8 hour seminars is going to be held again!
Russ is the leading well known, highly sought after, acoustical engineer/custom theater designer in the world pressently, and has worked on the best projects money can buy. He's also a current Stereophile GHT, Home Theater Mag, and AVInteriors(I think) writer. Anyway, he does good work,and know's his stuff. He charged $750 or so for his last seminar in Frisco, and I think it's probably worth looking into if you've got the bug!
Another consideration worth looking into would be to try to contact Lucas Film THX , and find out about their week long course for THX certification! They charge like between $1200 and $2500 or something like that, but at least you'd learn a whole lot. Heck, for me it's way worth it...but then I do this stuff for a living, as well as serious hobby. You'll have to weight it for sure.
Still for the money, Russ H. Is a great investment I think.
It will still take time for you to learn on your own, but it just may be worth it to you in the long run...or you can just pay someone whos good. Ah decisions, decisions...
Good luck