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Help a guy out? Renovating home theater system after 10 years and have a few questions.

I am going to modernize my family's TV situation.  We have a 60 inch Pioneer 1080p plasma. My speakers are Paradigm Millennia with two MIllenia 20 Trio as towers and then Millenia 30s for center and surrounds.  The subwoofer is a Paradigm, but not sure what model.  The Receiver is a Denin AVR 2807. I have not done anything with it in a decade. 

I am getting an LG 86SJ9570 because why not.  The receiver definitely need to go, and I have settled on the Yamaha Aventage for no good reason. I was looking at Onkyo, but I get the sense the Yamaha may be easier for me to figure out.  My inclination is to look for more receiver than I need but buy something maybe a few years old. Whatever it is will be a learning process.

I have figured out that the model numbers reflect the series or the date.  When the Aventage came out in 2010, it was 60, 700, 800, 1000, etc.  Then they have the 810, the 820 and so on.  So we now have the 70 series.  I suspect that if I bought a 7 year old receiver, I would be missing some things that I really want or need, but I have no idea how far back I can go safely.  I cannot find a chart of the changes by series.  An RX-A1070 is $1,199 at Amazon, and an RX-A2060 is $929.  I can get a 1040 for $550 and a 1030 for $450. But I have no idea what a good cutoff point would be.  If anyone has an idea, I would really appreciate the help.

I also would be curious if my speakers make sense.  We sit about 18 feet from the TV, and I sometimes feel like there is not enough mass to the noise if that makes sense. For some reason, it seems to me like that might be more of an issue with a bigger screen.

Thanks, I really appreciate any help. 
vasubandu

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OLED is the latest screen technology and it every bit as good as plasma but has far better resolution than plasma every achieved. My TV is the LG 4K OLED 65 inch and the quality is stunning. I checked it with professional photos on a memory stick and it has superb colors without any if the horrible backlighting of LED or LCD - superbly accurate.

Actually I believe QLED is the latest technology (in the case of Samsung, OLED in the case of LG). As to horrible backlighting of LED/LCD, this isn’t necessarily the case. For instance, consider my (pro calibrated) Samsung UN65KS9800. It features Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) and is every bit as black as any OLED I’ve seen. In fact I’m pretty sure even test/bench measurements indicate it can be a matter of splitting hairs. And, of course you realize that should you need the television in a particularly bright environment, OLED would not be your solution.
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Technically, I believe you’re correct that Samsung’s QLED is the most recent technology. IMO, however, OLED is the much more impressive technology. The latest 65" LG and 65" Sony (which uses an LG panel) 4K with active HDR models clearly offer the superior picture quality.

Don’t get me wrong, I think your Samsung 65" QLED offers probably the best picture quality of any 4K LED/LCD FALD hdtv on the market and Samsung’s new QLED technology could be the reason why. But OLED panels, especially with the 4K and HDR improvements, are definitely superior. Just view both and compare off axis picture qualities; the OLEDs pq will remain consistently unaltered as off axis viewing angle is increased while the QLED’s pq will fade in brightness and resolution as off axis viewing angle is increased.

OLED also offers superior color, resolution and black levels since each of the multi-million pixels on a 65" OLED panel are controlled individually and emit their own light intensity and color while also being capable of being completely turned off for ideal black levels. Samsung’s QLED uses backlighting which is less precise although the FALD technology likely helps.....

@noble100

I participate regularly in the AVS forum, have read tons of literature (before and after my purchase) and also have a rather pragmatic perspective here as well. Suffice it to say I’m well aware of the OLED pros/cons (and there are many), LCD/LED pros/cons (and there are many), and OLED vs LCD comparison pros/cons (and there are many).

That said I DISAGREE that OLED is clearly superior. I knew before hand about the off axis viewing angle and in my case this is a complete non-issue as I sit dead center (using both THX and SMPTE standards). Also, IMO the off axis viewing of LCD is better than it is typically purported to be.

By the way, OLED does NOT offer superior resolution. 4K is 4K. Also, OLED suffers (can and is more prone vs LCD) from burn-in and assumes all 8,294,400 pixels always work as intended, and they do not (necessarily).

Each technology has plus/minus.

OP can search on his/her own as there is an abundance of info available on each technology.

And I do agree with you that FALD definitely helps. It’s essentially technology if you wish to compare black level performance of OLED to an LCD. Without FALD, an LCD couldn’t perform as well.
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@noble100 

Hi Tim. I don't have a QLED. I merely stated QLED is Samsung's latest technology. I further indicated that I have a UN65KS9800 (which is an SUHD with FALD). Compare an LCD with full array local dimming to OLED and whatever you prefer by all means get it. 
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I have not checked out FALD or QLED. All I can say is that in 2016 the top of the line OLED beat everything else very very easily.

Very easily?

http://4k.com/tv/samsung-ks9800-review-suhd-4k-ultra-hd-240mr-smart-led-tv-un65ks9800-un78ks9500-un8...
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............Obviously OLED would give the highest pq compared to LED or LCD whether either is utilizing something similar to Samsung's 'QLED' technology or not..........

Obviously?

http://4k.com/tv/samsung-ks9800-review-suhd-4k-ultra-hd-240mr-smart-led-tv-un65ks9800-un78ks9500-un8...

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@noble100

Hi Tim.

So by your own admission, your LG 86SJ9570 ***MATCHES*** the picture quality of my Samsung UN65KS9800.

So again, whats so obvious?
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Samsung’s whites were way out of control.

My unit was pro calibrated by Kevin Miller. Trust me, the whites (and all other colors) are very much under correct control for P3, REC2020, D65, HD Rec.709.

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@noble100

Hi Tim.

I appreciate your willingness and desire to "straighten out a few things to keep things clear".

As you go on to state "It really is that obvious to the majority of humans.
I have no idea why you are unable to recognize OLED’s obvious pq superiority", can we conclude the matter then if I state that I’m proud to be in the minority?
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Yes, definitely

I'm proud to be in the minority.


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@noble100

Tim, you have violated the terms of our agreement. You specifically replied "Yes, definitely" to my question that if I stated I was proud to be in the minority you would consider the matter concluded.

It has become rather obvious to me that *you are a liar*, and I’m honestly not interested in any information you offer.

Some folks look for answers, others look for fights.

Tim, people like you are precisely the reason I’m proud to be in the minority :)
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Where the heck did the OP, vasubandu, go?

I think he/she got wise to the fact that in the case of this particular thread, certain folks simply have diarrhea of the keyboard and other dilemmas.
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