I think they are misleading people with labelling Norway instead of made in China. It show their lack of confidence in their own product. Honestly I don't like shady business. IMHO. |
My point here isn't not buy buy made in China. I would gladly support Line Magnetic and Oppo which is labelled made in China than some shady company using the law loop holes to mislead people. If a company doesn't have the integrity or honestly of being up front with their customers then I can only imagine how hard it is to claim for warranty service. |
Sabai,
That's exactly what I'm thinking. If you can't trust a company, forget doing any kind of business with them. |
Knghifi,
Seems like Dayglow answered all your question. |
Zd542,
That's a good one hahahaha (making use of the loop hole) |
To those who misunderstood,
This forum isn't about products made in China or any kind of racism. This is about companies like Hegel and Ayon trying to be deceptive about where their product are being assembled. Clearly there is an intent to mislead by labelling Norway or Austria with out adding where it is actually made.
Example of Good chinese company like Line Magnetic or USA company like Oppo are honest about the fact that it is properly labeled made in China. Obviously the op isn't complaining about Chinese production.
And yes, I do own some some Chinese made components like Oppo, Martin Logan, Mac Mini (music server). I have no complaints. =) |
I used to work in a manufacturing company (not audio equipment). When we sent out new products for review, a bottle of wine comes with it or any other little perks that they ask for was given as a gift. The truth is big fish always eat the small fish (million dollar company vs reviewer). Welcome to capitalism. |
Another brilliant post by HTML CHALLENGED!
Every review is a selection of information. What's all to some is empty to others. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
For me, a review on an AUDIO component, SQ, how it sounds relative to components I'm familiar with, build quality, customer service ... is hell more important than where it was assembled.
I understand some purchased decision is based on spartan Scandinavian aesthetics. Post purchase, don't like the SQ, they complaint if it had a Made in China tag, they would know in advance it's not the sound for them. Can't make this stuff up!!!
Knghifi (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
Knghifi,
I don't think anyone is complaining about made in China in this thread. We are more concern about the ethics used by these shady companies. Like hiding the fact where it is assembled. SQ isn't a question here either. |
THANK YOU! So what's your alternative?
IMO, The problem is not capitalism but uneducated consumers.
Knghifi (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
Knghifi,
I don't see an alternative in education where the rich goes to Harvard and middle class goes to community college. Like I've said the big fish always eats the smaller fish. Only the rich becomes richer. |
09-15-15: Schubert
There is dog eat dog for the poor ,crony for the rich and Social Democracy versions of capitalism .
Both are capitalism like Fiat and Bentley are both autos .
Folks in former are generally less educated in former than later.
Schubert (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
Schubert,
Very well said. |
and the problem is ...
Of course people with more resources have more flexibility and options. Their wealth grows expondentially and it's true, rich gets richer.
With education and hard work, capitalism offers the best opportunities to improve ones social status. The alternative is a nanny state where everybody loses with no hope. No growth, no innovations and permanent high unemployment and recession.
If money is important to you, stop feeling sorry for yourself and take action. If you can't make in the good old USA, you can't make it anywhere. There are reasons people are risking their lives trying to enter US.
Knghifi (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
Knghifi,
Did I mention that there is a problem? Did I say money is too important?What makes you think I'm feeling sorry for myself. All I'm saying is that's the reality of life. So stop assuming you know it all.
Although I agree with you on the capitalism offers more opportunity but truthfully not through hard work and education alone will get you there. You need a solid connection. That's where the rich gets richer comes in.
You go attacking people who you disagree on here just because you can't accept the fact that your proudly own Hegel isn't a 100% great company after all. All those mention there is always two sides of the story, no company is 100% in customer service yet you believe Hegel is blah blah...please stop.
Either you're in denial or refuse to understand it just because your Hegel is staring back at you in your room. |
09-16-15: Sabai
Talk2me,
You stated, "But, they are still getting rave reviews, just not from me." Lots of companies get so-called "rave" reviews. But since a lot of the review industry is corrupt I believe we should read any "rave" advisedly.
Sabai (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
+1 |
If want it stop, STOP posting??? This is a forum for debates and not monologues.
Knghifi (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
Knghifi,
And again I didn't say stop posting. Just stop the BS! |
BS is in the eye of the beholder!!!
Knghifi (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
BS is you!! |
Sabai
Schubert,
A dealer friend mentioned this to me regarding another well-known high-end Norwegian manufacturer. Although I don't usually like to generalize in this way, this may be the case here. If so, it is still no excuse for unethical business practices, IMO.
Sabai (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
+1
Norwegian culture isn't an excuse to have a bad personality. Humans have evolve so much to have a better understanding of what's right and wrong, logically speaking. I guess the only people who agrees with Hegel's deception has the same mentality and personality. Some evolves slower than others. No offense to anyone. |
To those who think it's ok to support Hegel despite their unethical practices, go ahead and do so. No one here is stopping you. But to some who realized that there is something shady going on would like to thank those who speaks out. There is no need to attack each other here. I believe in the freedom of choice. |
I believe this thread to be about business ethics. It's just some Hegel owners couldn't accept the fact they got duped. Instead of seeing this as a logical conversation, some view it as a personal attack on their system which isn't.
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