No. It already was a flash in the pan. Came and went.
I'm keeping my eyes open for an upgrade from my NAD C-541i player. HDCD is one of the more important options the new player must have. Many cds out there, with no HDCD marking, light up the HDCD indicator. Search the archives here for lists of HDCDs and you'll see what I mean.
BTW the NAD is a very nice sounding player for the money.
I didn't realize there were that many HDCD CDs out there, even CDs I looked at such as Claptons Chronicles was HDCD but wasn't marked HDCD. Leave it to Microsoft to put a damper on it by jacking up the price for the rights to manufacturers of Players, like Bill Gates needs more money.. Still not sure now if it's worth looking for HDCD in a new CD Player..
I was hoping someone might post that the newer DATs were so good that everything played through them sounded as good or better then HDCD quality :)
02-14-06: TbgJust can't post any agreement with me without tossing in the RealityCheck issue, can you? I see you took your ball and went home on that thread.
Let it go, Tbg. We're both like pitbulls with bones.
Let's enjoy the few things on which we can agree, and leave the rest behind. Palaver and all.
Tvad, I was not trying to provoke you. I had just tried a copy of an HDCD. This thread had provoked me to try it. I was not moving the war here. Sorry!
Tgrisham, Denon seems to have some committment to HDCD. Since I thought that only the Pacific Microsonics chip could really decode HDCD and I know Denon does not use it, I do not know how they decode HDCD. The light for HDCD does come on however.
HERE'S A BIG UPDATE ON HDCD!!!
I wrote one of the dealers who does a lot of the modifying on Music Hall and Onix CD Player and asked him why the newest players are not coming out with HDCD and he said and I quote:
"HDCD is no longer supported by Microsoft, who bought Pacific Microsonics, its inventor."
I can't see MicroRipOff selling they're rights to HDCD so this could be the beginning of the demise of HDCD as we know it.. Well this really su@%$!! Why can't Bill just stick with killing us in the computer world..
Tbg, never thought about that.. iPods and iTunes really caught them off guard.. I have three teenagers myself and that was number one on all three's xmas list.. of course they got them... damn for what I paid for those three iPods I could have bought a really REALLY nice used CD Player here :), hmm maybe I deserve to splurge a bit more in my CDP search LOL..
You don't really need HDCD for playback....16 bits is enough for a good mastering studio to play with and give you a good CD (96 db dynamic range).
A recording studio professional may benefit from the flexibility of extra bits and greater dynamic range to avoid clipping big signals or poorly quantizing small signals.
At home, even very high end home speakers are unlikely to put out very much more than 60 db dynamic range above their noise floor.
So if the recording and mastering studio have done their job well .....16 bits is enough on your source material. Although technology has changed, the engineering constraints that led to the choice of specifications for a the orginal CD format remain largely valid, even today. HDCD, SACD etc. improvements are diminishing returns at best...
You guys aren't making my decision any easier lol, your saying it's not important but it's "great".. Now I'm really on the fence, plus got a line on a Music Hall CD-25.2 for under 4 delivered and not sure which way to go..obviously he 25.2 is not a HDCD where the CD-25 was and my search started thinking all newer, better CD Players would be HDCD.. hmm...
I have a Cary 303/300 and a modded Music Hall CD-25, both with HDCD. Even though HDCD was not a factor for me originally in purchasing a player, it became one. I was surprised at the number of disks that are out there and I believe that it does make a difference. Even if no new disks are added to HDCD catalog, there's enough music already out in the format to still make it a consideration. YMMV of course.
Advent11, "I believe that it does make a difference"
I was afraid someone was going to say the lol.. Which makes me really wonder why the newer/better CD Players (like the ones I listed earlier in the thread such as the Music Hall CD-25.2) are NOT putting HDCD in their new CD Players? Really got me in a quandary here.. It's like I'm better off buying the older discontinued models rather then what should be they're newest more advanced players,, I hate to pass up this deal on a practically new Music Hall CD-25.2 but if the older ones will sound better with HDCDs I might not have a choice, I don't want to buy it and then wish I waited for one with HDCD.
There is a difference to HDCD in bits/dynamic range. The difference is beyond what is practically necessary in terms of dynamic range for home playback. If you exceed the dynamics that your system/room design can deliver/handle accurately then you may actuallly lose audibility of some of the lower level sounds on an HDCD compared to a more balanced sounding CD, even if the CD has a more "compressed" sound.
FM Rock radio stations know this all to well....they modfiy and compress audio for best experience in the noisy car environment..they know that greater dynamic range would mean that lows would be annoyingly inaudible compared to background noise and that if the volume is set high enough to hear these lows then the speakers will distort when a loud passage comes or, alternatively, the passenger will find the loud passage uncomfortably loud.
More dynamic range is not always desirable in a recording...there are limits to what is practical/comfortable for playback.
I own a Sonic Frontiers SFD-1 MKII tube HDCD dac (these can be found for between 500-700$). This baby sings, especially with hdcd disks. The Doors and Roxy Music catalogues have been re-released in HDCD and they sound great. Yes, I do wish there were more HDCD disks, but the 25 or so that I own sound so good, I won't be getting rid of my dac anytime soon.
This may be a tough question or a non-applicable one but here it goes:
Would a player with HDCD playing a HDCD cd sound better, the same or worse then a "newly released" CD Player using the newer Burr-Brown Dac such as what's in the Music Hall CD-25.2 (Burr-Brown PCM 1738 24 bit/192k DAC) or players using Wolfson WM8740 DAC, 24/192 DAC such as the Arcam Diva C-73, Rega Apollo(which is getting some great reviews, off the point but had to mention it) and the Cambridge Audio 640Cv2 which actually is using 2 Wolfson WM8740 DACs(one for each channel)??
It would be interesting if someone has tried setting up a say a Music Hall CD-25 and a Music Hall CD25.2 both with the same HDCD cd in and toggled back and forth to see the difference.. Or in this whole analogy am I comparing apples to oranges?
A while back I went the player with DAC route and had this experience: I had three DACs, an Adcom GDA-700 with HDCD, a PS Audio (forgot model #) with HDCD and a Bitstream (forget model #) without HDCD. The Bitstream DAC was head and shoulders above the other two DACs when decoding standard cds. But when a cd encoded with HDCD was played the Adcom won hands down. On well recorded cds the difference wasn't subtle. I used several different cd players as transports, one of which decoded HDCD and as a stand alone player it bested the Bitstream when an HDCD disk was the subject of comparison. I feel there really is a difference, spatial clues are more evident, smoother quality to music without any loss of detail or resolution.
Of course technology will advance and new developments will make HDCD obsolete as well as cd at some point. Until then I'll make sure I have some means to decode HDCDs.
Well now all I have to say on this thread I started is "I HOPE NOT!!" LOL.. I decided on and bought a Music Hall CD-25 w/mods.. I figured it's a great player for the money(which was a consideration unfortunately) with or without the HDCD capability but having HDCD is just a nice bonus.. a win win situation I think..