has anybody else noticed this about singers?


Sam here again and this might sound crazy however there are a select few singers who’s voice resonates with your ears and it has nothing to do with how good they can sing for example bob dylan does not have a smooth voice however it resonates as if it is in tune with your ears others include john lennon,george harrison,glen fry,todd rungren,jimi hendrix,mark knopler,bob marley,johnny thunders,johnny lydon(sex pistols) mick jagger,keith richards,roger waters.Here are some great singers who don’t seem to resonate with my ears as if there out of tune with my ears.Paul mccartney,don henley,david bowie,phil collins,sting,tom petty,david byrne,michael jackson,david gilmore,robert plant,steve perry.
lf you listen to george harrisons voice on the dark horse album1974 his voice was in the worst shape however it amplified the resonant effect and sounded more in tune. Here is a singer who sounds like a cat being killed however that makes no difference because his voice instantly resonates with my ears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VVj1zqbWpU&ab_channel=DominoRecordingCo.

here is another example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKL4X0PZz7M&ab_channel=FirstAidKitVEVO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VUwiQNYyV8&ab_channel=BeachwoodSparks-Topic
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Showing 2 responses by terraplane8bob

There is a phenomenon, experienced with vocalists and with instrumentalists as well, that is very difficult to hear and equally difficult to explain.  That is, the possibility of playing ONE note but producing TWO different pitches on that same note.  In the case of some operatic voices, they can produce not just TWO, but several pitches at the same time. I don't think that this is ever done on purpose, but is a characteristic of their "instrument" over which they seemingly have little control.  The ultimate manifestation of this technique is called "overtone singing", which is a purposeful effort to actually sing two pitches at the same time. There are some pretty convincing demonstrations available online.  What I am trying to say is that there are singers who inadvertently encompass some degree of "overtone singing" in their normal singing voice.  That might explain one posters dissatisfactions with certain singers who do not "resonate" with his ears ??  In every musical sound, it can be considered that there are TWO characteristics existing in that sound : 1 - The "Core" of the sound  2 - The resonance of the sound.  When they are not in tune with each other, a cacophony results. When in tune, a complimentary     reinforcing results.  A simple example might be to consider the "pluck" of a guitar as the "core" and the resonance of the guitar body as the "resonance".    Luthiers will make tiny adjustments to the location of the "sound post" inside a violin to achieve this very subtle result.   It is similar to having the front wheels on your car properly aligned so that they roll down the highway in "harmony".                                                                        I used to demonstrate to students how easy it was to hum a pitch and then while still humming the same pitch, open my mouth and produce a different pitch that conflicted with the humming pitch. A lot of singers --- and instrumentalists ---  do the same thing unconsciously.  One of the best examples I've ever heard of the perfect "alignment" of pitch and resonance is Leonard Warren, late of The Metropolitan Opera.  I used to play his recording of "Colorado Trail" as a demonstration of that perfect alignment.  His HUGE voice had a central clarity that was astonishing !  A remarkable bit of trivia about the great bass-baritone was that he never learned to read music ! 
     I hope that my bringing this phenomenon to the discussion might shed light on what exactly it is that we find so attractive in some performers and so distressing in others.  Conversely, I may have added further confusion, and for that possibility I apologize.
In response to "Frogman's" comment :  "However, while I suppose it is possible that there is a relationship to how a given listener responds to a particular singers ability to find the core of sung notes or not, shouldn’t all listeners then react positively or negatively to the same singer?"
    My answer is that, in truth, you have to be a bit "anal" about the elements that make up the signature sound of a specific vocalist in order to evaluate each element.  In other words, some of us care and some of us don't  ----  and I believe that many cannot discern those elements in the first place.  In a curious way, I almost envy those who are simply able to enjoy the music and are blissfully unaware of what we've been discussing.  Lots more listening and lots less fussing !    Cheers !!