Ozzy62: You should hear them, then make judgements. There are varying price points in everything in life.
One can spend anywhere from $1K to $30K for a 2 carat diamond, the price relecting the quality. Some are fortunate enough to afford the higher quality diamond, should they have the desire.
This says nothing about those who can or can not afford the best. It simply states the price for quality.
Additional analogies can be provided in other luxury items, should you require. Boats? Automobiles? Real Estate?
Alon's mini monitors are exceptional.
Amenra: Okay, you are up to 3 posts ... all about speakers. LOL.
Best wishes,
Jack Seaton |
Boa2: Having been around the hobby for well over 30 years and the desire for the best, many ultra high end products are limited production and thus, require travel.
Considering that ours is not the only hobby with "ultra" products, your position seems a little jaded, or perhaps is telling of your consumer purchaces.
Regarding other ultra products, a good friend and business associate of mine flew to Orange County Choppers facility in New York to settle a deal on a custom bike, which they will build. They did not offer plane fare. (Estimated price around $60 to $70K)
Another friend lives in Honolulu and has had a custom stainless steel jeep made for him, (even the brake calipers were milled from a solid billet fo satinless steel, etc.). The specialty jeep builder is located in Central Oregon. They did not offer pane fare. (Finished price? Well into the 6 figures).
"However, I find this approach to be most un-accommodating, ..."
The dealer offered your plane fare, which you deem "un-accommodating". Hmm. Interesting. I don't see it that way.
Best wishes,
Jack Seaton |
Boa2,
Auditioning ultra high end components usually requires travel. Unfortunately, companies at this level do not have the wide market that companies such as Klipsch. This said, many of us who seek and purchase the ultra grade products often have to travel to have any first hand experience with them. Systems are usually set up by either the manufacturer or one of their few dealers (as in this case). We can inquire as to the associated equipment used for said demonstration, hear them and then make the next step, which may require monetary down payment. This is how purchases at this level are normally done.
Where do I fit in? Hmm, I actually paid for my own flight to hear the Magico 3's, which I had purchased.
I find Jay's "Free Air Fare" offer most generous and very accommodating. This remains my point.
By the way, Howard, I did not know that it was unusual to show favor for one's favorite products in an audio forum. (Hint: It's fairly common). I have been blessed and fortunate enough to own some truly World Class gear. I even like to talk about them sometimes ... :)
I strongly urge anyone considering a speaker purchase to include Magico to your short list. The risk of audition seems little, especially when someone else foots the plane fare ...
Best wishes,
Jack Seaton |
Yes, Twilo, along with Tube Research Labs amplifiers and preamps.
Beautiful stuff, huh? You should hear them.
Jack |
Relax Alon. Those of us who that are fortunate enough to have your speakers know that you are not a difficult man to deal with and that your speakers are truly "World Class" in every way ... from the fit and finish to their exceptional sound.
Forums such as this have always been subject to abuse and agendas. Amenra has but 2 posts he has participated in, one was to state that he uses Venture Audio Grand Excellence, the other to make remarks about Magico and your customer service, (which I have always found as exceptional as your speakers).
This said, I would not get overly excited about a man who on his second post, makes such remarks ... (it's called credibility, of which he lacks in these forums). Most folks will see past his remarks and take them for what they are worth, which is usually the case here and at Audio Asylum.
By the way, I had the opportunity to see photos of Ezra's Magico References after the wood inlays. They are beautiful. He has placed an order for 2 sets of TRL M-1100 mono-blocks! I hope to make it out to Chicago this summer and hope to get an invite.
Respectfully,
Jack Seaton
Proud Magico 3 owner |
Ozzy62,
I'm not a speaker manufacturer like you, so I do not know the price of manufacture. I imagine that, as with anything, as numbers produced increase, the price per unit goes down. This is well known to most with ultra high end, (Read: low numbers produced) products.
"I am not going to slam ANY speaker's sonic merits w/o hearing them."
No, but you'll question their value without, right?
(This reminds me of a statement that an ol' College Chemistry Professor used to share with us, "You can't beat first hand information".)
Being that we are all different, we are likely to have different veiws of the term "value" and will have different criteria in which we base the term. Experience, exposure, acuity and wealth likely have some input as well.
"Ok, you are right. I should hear them. But I still contend that no matter how good they sound, someone will make a full range speaker that will compete at the same price, or less."
That, of course, may be true ... although I'm not so sure after hearing the Magico Monitors. Which $20K full range would you compare them to? (Oops, I forgot, you have not heard the Magico monitors). Do you plan on attending CES?
"... but it's up to the buyer to make his decision and spend his $$$$."
How very true. What seems apparent is that terms such as value and quality are different for each of us and that it usually helps to have first hand experience.
Best wishes,
Jack Seaton |
Sorry, Henry. From my experience, I found the MINI to sound big and dynamic. So much that you don't believe that you are listening to a monitor. While they aren't full range, (they do drop off at 40 HZ (?) as Audiorevalation states), the MINI midbass are fuller and more coherent then just about any full range speaker out there.
I believe that the enclosures weigh over 200 pounds, which doesn't seem like much until you consider we are talking about a monitor.
Anyone considering a speaker in that price range owes it to themselves to audition the Magico MINI.
I have owned one of their earlier full range models, the "Magico 3", for the past 6 years and have no regrets. I bought mine used (seller went up the Magico line and bought the "Reference") and have no connection to Mr. Wolf, other than being a very satisfied customer. I am not a dealer, either.
"So, say what you will, the proof is in the listening and when set up right the Minis will put all squabbles to rest in under 10 seconds."
"Nothing else I've ever heard can touch them in any way, in any parameter. Imaging, clarity, accuracy, pick any of the nouns we use to try to describe the sound of a speaker, any noun at all, and these little monitors are the best at doing that noun that I've ever heard."
Well said, guys. This can be said for all Magico speakers and appears to be the Magico "house sound". I've also found that they are some of the most best at detail retrieval, as well. Minute details which are usually obscured are easily heard.
To make this easier ... just listen to them. Form your own first hand impression ... hear them for yourself.
Best wishes,
Jack |
