Harbeth again…or other speakers for acoustic music?


Hi!

I’ve been without any decent hifi setup for a few years now but lately had the thoughts of investing in a good system again. Let me tell you little about my background and what I’m searching for. I live in a place far from any hifi-stores, I’ve not so much experience of listening to a lot of different systems or visiting hifi shows, but I’ve been playing music myself, mostly jazz, for about 20 years and have been in many performances both as musician and as audience.

About 5 years ago I first bought a pair of Harbeth P3 second hand along with a Rega amp. Pretty soon I wanted something bigger in scale so I swapped the speakers for a pair of 30.1 and the amp for a Croft 25/7 combo. The sound was really really good in so many ways, best sound and midrange I’ve ever heard before! Even though my apartment back then was not optimal with concrete walls the vocals was very lifelike. But after a while I feeling somehow that something was missing. I’m no bass junkie or so but I was tempted to try something that had little more depth and covered the bass region better, so I was started looking at SHL5+ and C7ES3. I also thought about integration some subs but never tried that route. Swapped the 30.1 for C7 but I was immediately disappointed. I never got them to sound good at my place. I thought they lacked the magic I felt 30.1 had.

 

I ended up selling all my gear, but the sound of 30.1 and Croft combo really etched back in my mind. It was more emotional to listen to music as I ever before had experienced. I prefer listen to acoustic music, jazz, small groups ensembles but occasional big band and some lighter pop, but looking for something that excells with vocals and acoustic instruments. It can absolutely be little on the warmer sound, I can’t stand harsh and cold sound.


So now I’m looking for a system again and would like to hear what suggestions you have. I listen to low to modest volumes. No heavy rock or metal. I need something that can play good on low volume. HE speakers and a SET amp would be an alternative but also is Harbeth. I know there’s 30.2 now and XD. Integrating with subs could be Ok. My living room is about 15x12 feet and the speakers cannot be to big and dominant, ex Quad ESL is not an option. There is a few softer walls and I think 1 concrete wall.

 

Happy to hear your thoughts..

philsons

Showing 9 responses by philsons

@avanti1960 Thanks for commenting. The past days I’ve been all fired up about getting some good hifi again. Since it’s a lot of money I plan on taking a trip to the capitol city Stockholm sometime during next year and audition speakers, first of all Harbeth range but if possible other speakers that are mentioned here. I can’t deny that 30.1 made a really strong impact on me although I missed some lower frequencies. The midrange, vocals and instruments was more lifelike than I’ve ever heard a hifi-setup sound before. I can’t even imagine how the 40.X must sound with the right conditions!

 

@steveashe Thank you for taking the time to write about your story and impressions, very helpful.

 

@yoyoyaya Good tip, will check them out, thanks.

 

 

I have not tried other amps than my Croft 25/7 I had back then, equipped with NOS Tesla tubes. So it’s gonna be interesting to try different ones. What amps can you recommend working real good? I played all digital and the same will be this time.

Thank you all for your wonderful comments and suggestions! I know the 30.1 a little bit and an option would be to try a used pair of 30.2 and see how they perform in my current apartment. If I still think they lack bass, maybe go for the sub-integration route. I’ll check out the brands/models you mentioned here and I didn’t know about earlier.


@deadhead1000

When I read your comment my mind travels back to the time I spent with 30.1.. The 30.2 with subs could be really interesting to hear and is something I’m very interested in. Also see how they do in my new space, with what I consider better acoustics than my previous one. Do you ever feel they’re lacking in bass department with the music you listen to?

 

@sbank

Devore is another interesting brand. Do you have any experience from smaller speakers than O/96?

 

@timo62 @avanti1960

M40.X is going to be to large in my room. The SHL5+ is another candidate I’ve been thinking on. How do you feel it handles jazz and acoustic ensembles? Have you compared it to 30.1/2.

Integrating 30.1/2 with subs is very tempting alternative, since I liked 30.1 in so many ways. Have you had any chance to listen to 30.1/2 with subs?

 

@sbank Thanks. Actually I also watched a clip the other day about the baby O and micro speakers. Very interesting to read more reviews about them later on. Maybe he mentioned it on the clip, but do you know when they’ll be released?

Cheers

@pdreher Thanks for your input. That’s the one thing I’m little afraid of with the SHL5+, that the top end can be little to much and feels bright after a while. But I know many people seems to love that speaker very much.

I just read the Stereophile article about SVS Micro 3000 that @steveashe mentioned. It sounds that it’s performing very very well AND he also reviewed it along with Harbeth 30.2! Here’s the article.

 

@pani Thanks, I’ll look more into AN speakers. I’m guessing AN amp would be ideal choice together?

@richdirector Thanks for the input! I think it will be to tight with to big speakers as it must work together in my main living room, I don’t have access to a pure listening room unfortunately, but that’s a wish for the future.

@arafiq Nice read of your review of Fritz Carrera, if you’re selling the 30.1 that really tells something about the Fritz speakers. I’m wondering if you can write down the impressions by comparing your SHL5+ with 30.1? Since I owned the latter I get some reference.

@twoleftears Oh man, now we’re talking! 😃😃

 

@yoyoyaya Allright thanks, I’ve read very good things with the brands you mention. Actually was about to buy a second hand sugden A21SE before I ordered the Croft.

Thanks for your input, will read more about the ones I didn’t know of before.

@rodge827 

@bobheinatz 

@akg_ca 


 

@ryder Nice sum up of your impressions. Have you had any chance to hear 30.1 or .2 with sub?

@bilitz Thank you for commenting. Interesting to hear. Did you find it difficult to integrate the sub? And where do you place it, near speakers or some distance away?

Thanks for following up, that´s nice to hear. Which model of JL Audio is it? How big is your listening space?

I myself havn´t had any time yet to travel to a bigger city for listening to the Harbeth range, but hopefully later this year.