Ground Loop Issues


I know this topic has been kicked around many times on this website, but I have not found the answer I am looking for. The current setup has a pair of Bryston 7B-ST monos plugged directly into a 20 amp dedicated circuit. The rest of the system is plugged into a Chang (CLS 9600)power conditioner which plugs into a separate 20 amp dedicated circuit. The rest of the system is a Denon CD player (DCD-1650), ARC LS3 or Cary SLP88 preamp. I also have a VPI table and ARC PH3 phono stage, but they have been removed from the system while I try to figure this out. Right now the only way I can get rid of the hum and noise is to use a cheater plug on the preamp (either preamp)and flip the switches to float the ground on the Brystons. I am baffled as to why I would have to float all of the 3-prong plugs instead of either the preamp or the amps. I should also mention that this same problem exist when I put my spare Hafler amp (9505) in the system. I don't think the problem is the equipment. Any advise is appreciated. Thanks, Scott
jdt332

Showing 2 responses by jea48

Jdt332, you need to start from scratch. You will need to weed out the piece of equipment, cable, or what ever, that is causing the ground loop hum.

I assume from your post you have eliminated the possibility of a bad ic. Also from your post you have at one point disconnected all source inputs from the preamp, (removed all ics), and still the hum.

(A) Get back to basics first.
*Disconnect all ics from preamp inputs.
*Plug the preamp into the same power outlet circuit as the two Power Amps. Use a multi outlet power strip for the test if needed. (Do not use power conditioner.)
*Do not use any ground lifters. All you should have is the two Power Amps connected to the preamp by ics.

Check for ground loop hum.
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(B) If none, plug the preamp into the other dedicated power branch circuit. (With out the power conditioner connected.)
Check for ground loop hum.
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(C) If none, add the power conditioner to the mix. (Connect the preamp to the power conditioner.)
Check for ground loop hum.
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(A) If you experienced ground loop hum with only the two Power Amps connected to the preamp, disconnect one Power Amp from the preamp, (remove ic).
Check for hum.

If hum is still present from the single Power Amp connected, disconnect that Amp and reconnect the other Amp.
Check for hum.

If the hum is gone....this. could be the problem. One of the power transformers primary windings could wired with reversed polarity.

Or it could be an aftermarket power cord with the plug and IEC connector wiring reversed on one end. This is not uncommon......

(B) If you did not have the hum with preamp and Power Amps plugged into the same dedicated circuit but do with the preamp plugged into the other dedicated circuit, check for reversed AC polarity at one of the dedicated duplex receptacles. Easiest way to check is with a polarity checker. Pick one up at HD or any Hardware Store.

If the AC polarity is correct for both dedicated circuit receptacles the problem then could be the length of the two dedicated branch circuits.
Jdt332, just an added note. The ground lift switch on the Amps does not disable the safety equipment ground from the chassis.

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There are three toggle switches, two pairs of loudspeaker terminals, and balanced and unbalanced inputs on the back panel in addition to the detachable power cord. As on other Bryston amplifiers, white lacquer diagrams and instructions are printed on the back panel; an instruction manual is not needed. This is very important for the Bryston 7B-ST, which features unique optional bridging configurations for the speaker terminal hookups.
The switches select between balanced or unbalanced inputs, series or parallel operation, and a Ground Lift switch to float the chassis ground from the signal ground.

If you try my tests, previous post, make sure the Ground Lift switch on each Amp is in the closed position.