Grand Prix Monaco review in new Stereophile- OUCH


Anyone read Fremer's review of the Grand Prix Monaco in the latest Stereophile?

Ouch that has to hurt. I am familar with the design of this table, and of course on paper it seems groundbreaking, but if I were in the market for a $20K table, (I'm not) this review would completely kill my interest in this seemingly stellar product.

Any other opinions?

(actually this is a great issue of Stereophile - lots of gear I am intersted in)
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Wow! Now we can compare two state of the art turntables with an MP3 file sent by e-mail. Thank goodness for the internet. Just think about it, I can have a dealer set up two systems, send me an MP3 of the systems via e-mail and purchase the better one without ever leaving my home to actually go LISTEN to the products. You're on to something Mikey! Look- I know you actually tell people to go listen, and some people such as Triode are smart enough to actually go and listen, but enough of trying to validate the results of your review by e-mailing people an MP3 file. There are just too many variables to make it a “credible” process.

With respect to you last post, there are a couple of obvious questions that struck me. How the heck did you know what you were measuring with respect to the stands and armboards if you are not an engineer of any type? (Kind of like me playing with an EKG machine and telling people their heart is in trouble.) I thought JA did all the measuring for Stereophile? Did an outside party come in and guide you through the process? If so, shouldn't you disclose who they were and if they have any affiliations in the industry? Did you ever use the Monaco on another stand or put the Merrill on the Grand Prix stand to see if it was really the possible cause of some of the faults you heard? Did you ever discuss these results and the measurement procedures to obtain them with Mr.Lloyd? I'm sure he'd like to know that his stands "sung like a Diva". How can you reject his methodology for measuring his own stands and validate your own methodology and want to send out the results via e-mail when the whole procedure appears suspect? If you want to review "honestly and completely", then disclose the entire measurement procedure or don't mention it at all. Anything else is disingenuous since you've reached your own personal conclusions from this process on how the turntable sounds.

I really look forward to reading your columns every month Mr. Fremer, honestly, but you really lost me with this one.
Gee Mr. Fremer, I never attacked you. Heck I don't even own any GPA products. I was simply asking some LOGICAL questions based upon what YOU posted. Your silence in answering these questions is quite telling (and disturbing).
Why are you "fascinated" to read Mr. Robinson's comments on the Monaco? Are not his listening observations of the Monaco just as valid as yours? It appears his comments coincide with the listening experiences of actual owners of the Monaco.
Thank you taking the time to post a thorough response Mr. Fremer. With all due respect, I never leveled any "charges" against you. I was simply asking some questions with respect to what YOU already posted. You used the words "honestly and completely" and I thought they were contradicted in your post regarding the measurements, hence my asking for clarification. Sorry if they ruffled your feathers. I never once stated your review or your measurements were not credible, just trying to figure out how you got them.