Good Amp/Preamp for "bright " Thiel 3.6 speakers ?


I have a pair of Thiel 3.6 speakers that I am quiet fond of. I bought them a few years ago after listening to them on some very expensive equipment at a stereo store. They have been great at home with clean tight bass and exceptional detail. I am finally ready to get a decent amp and preamp to compliment these speakers and I am looking for a recommendation.

The two things that I have learned about these speakers is that they are considered to be Bright and power hungrey. The minumum power required to drive these monsters is 250 watts. I personally would say that they are extremely revealing of any flaws in a system and not "bright". And when paired with the right equipment they are beautiful, clear, and present a remarkable soundstage which is what I love.

So what I am looking for is an Amp / Preamp combo that provides beautiful detail and imaging but no Brightness or Harshness. I need a combo that with amaze me with detail and presentation but will also let me listen for hours without exhausting my ears. The ultimate complement to these speakers.

I have browsed around this site for a few days and have stumbled across the following mainstream equipment but have not been able to make a decision about a single item let alone a pairing.

Bryston amp 4b-st 250w $1,100.00
Rotel amp rb-1090 380w $1,200.00
Krell amp kav-250a 250w $1,350.00
CJ amp mf-250 250w $1,750.00
Bryston amp 4b-sst 300w $1,800.00
Musical Fidelity amp a-308cr 250w $1,900.00
Krell amp kav-2250 250w $2,000.00
Musical Fidelity int nu-vista 300 300w $3,000.00
Musical Fidelity int tri-vista 300 350w $4,200.00
Krell int kav500i $1,700.00

Krell pre kav-280p $1,800.00
Krell pre kav-250p $800.00

I know there are other great pieces out there and I haven't really gotten a feel for the available preamps yet but the conrad johnson preamps have caught my eyes a few times.

I am hoping to spend less that $4000 total and would be happy if I could keep it under $3000.

I haven't decided on a cd player but may end up with a high quality DAC later. For now I just want to get the amp and preamp and then start auditioning cd players.

Thanks for any help you can give me.
montanarane

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Thanks for everyone's feedback. I really appreciate it. I have started a new thread called " Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista 300 with Thiel CS3.6? " to continue this discussion.

Montana Rane
Ok. A lot of brand recommendations and one specific vote for the Conrad Johnson MF-2500A / Premier 16ls mkII or 17LS paring.

Any thoughts from other listeners about selecting this Conrad Johnson equipment to complement the Thiel CS3.6 speakers?

If anyone has a specific Classe combination that they are sure sounds great with the Thiel CS3.6 and still meets my $4K budget that would also be helpful.

I am strongly considering the Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista 300 integrated but have some reservations after reading

"02-27-04: Mahandave
I hate to say something bad about these two products because I like both very much! (love Thiel) I have however listened to this combo at a local dealer and was very un-immpressed to say the least. It was the second most boring and dull system I have ever heard at this price level. And any system including Thiel and boring/dull is saying something. Tone was good to very good, musicality was non existant and dynamics were conjested to the extreme. The trivista SACD was the source in an acousticlly good, medium sized room. Every thing was set up very well by a great tech. guy. I think the problem lies in the thinking behind the designers. They are on opposite sides of the world. Thiel needs lively sound fed into them to show what they can do while Musical Fidelity wants to go easy and smooth- this is just a case of miss match and not poor products I believe. I had to take two of my friends to listen to this set up because I wanted there oppinoin to see if I was nuts but they aggreed with me totally. Sorry- again, get those Thiels but look at different electronics or vice-versa."

Thanks,

Montana Rane
Amps I can afford that may drive my Thiel CS3.6 speakers:

Classe CA-301 300W ~$2200
Classe CA-300 300W ~$1700
Bryston 4B-SST 300W ~$1700
Conrad Johnson MF 240W ~$1800
Musical Fidelity A308CR 250W ~$1850
Krell KSA 300 300W ~$2500
Krell KSA 250 250W ~$2100

Of those amps I am getting the feeling that the Classe and CJ are probably going to work out well. It was nice to hear from people who are actually using this combination and are happy with it.

The other suggestions so far were either lower power than I want to try or too expensive.

I will try to audition some of the above equipment this weekend to get a feel for it.

Thanks for all your help and advice so far.

Montana Rane