Gingko or Symposium Ultra Platform??

Hiendmuse, quick question on Symposium and Bear Paws. Do you have the Bear Paws directly on Symposium Ultra or do you use Edensound's little plate underneath Bear Paws?

I have both Gingko and Symposium Ultra platform but never tried Symposium with my VPI as Symposium does not recommend using rubber footer with it. I recently got Bear Paws so that might be interesting to try.

I also find Gingko works well with VPI but have no idea if Symposium works significantly better or not as I never tried it. I uses Symposium with my CD player only. I have a little wobble only when the platter starts spinning but only for a few second then everything is steady afterward. This is on my VPI Classic though.

I was asking about brass accepter for Bear Paws mainly because mine came with brass acceptors that have cork on the under side which I think would be a no no for Symposium as it want contacts that can transfer vibration down to Symposim platform rather than damping the vibration like rubber feet or the brass acceptors that came with my Bear Paws.

For gingko, the squash ball thing also will flatten out as well. They are quite specific about number of balls required for the weight of the turntable.

I think I definitely will try Symposium ULtra with my turntables. Unfortunately the one I have is a bit too small for my TW Raven AC1. I am thinking of trying it with my Micro Seiki first but I will need to find something taller than the couplers that came with the Ultra. Bear Paws have a wrong size thread on. Symposium Rollers are also too short. Would any kind of cone/spike feet work? Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Hmmm... I tried Symposium Ultra today with my Microseiki/FR 64s/Koetsu and the result was interesting. However, the only thing I had on hand that is tall enough to give clearance for the turntable is a set of aluminium speaker spikes.The bass cleaned up very nicely with more transient attack, better definition and more slam. Detail seems to be better as well. However, I lost a bit of the Koetsu lushness and warmth in the midrange. The midrange does becomes clearer, the smoothness is still there. I would say that the midrange is heading toward being aggressive but not quite there yet.
I guess I will have to experiment a bit more with the footers to maintain the improvement in the bass but does not lose the lush and warm midrange as well.

I went to my local Symposium dealer and looked like the rollerblock junior (the round one) will have enough clearance.
They don't have extra set of round couplers though.I think that will have to be special ordered. Symposium site mentioned using either coupler, roller block or cone but never said which work best for turntable. They have a picture of a VPI table using coupler stacked with rollerblock junior!
I sent them an email over the weekend about this and see what they would recommend.

I just got reply from Peter who said that he would recommend roller block junior with g10 tungsten bearing over stacked coupler for my micro seiki.
I guess if your vpi has out board motor, it may have more problem with lateral movement but vpi classic or micro seiki, with on board motor, I don't expect problems with lateral movement except may be the first few seconds after turning the motor on

Hmmm... I just tried Rollerblock junior with Tungsten G10 ball. Quite interesting. In comparison to spikes, I lost a bit of the impact and slam on the bass but the sound is more evenly from top to bottom, smoother, richer in the midrange.
I may have lost a touch of sparkle on top as well. The spikes that I used are aluminum, locally made, look kind of like Avalon spike.

Hmmm... I have been playing around comparing gingko Cloud and Symposium Ultra a bit in my system using Microseiki/FR64s/Koetsu and VPI Classic 3/Dyna XV-1s . Microseiki is used with Symposium junior roller or spike feet on Linn Skeet and VPI Classic 3 with Bearpaw brass cones/Linn Skeet (BearPaw came with brass plate that have cork wood under it so I think that it would not work all that well with Symposium Ultra).
The result is quite consistant with both turntable. Gingko has lusher, fuller midrange, more on sweeter, warmer tone and somewhat softer sound. Symposium has excellent bass slam, speed, detail. However, I feel the midrange went a bit beyond neutral to lean, and somewhat dry presentation. Both give blacker background.
My Symposium Ultra is a bit too small for my TW but my guess would be that it would match better with my Reed 3Q but might be a bit too much of a good thing with Graham arm though.