i was looking at a recent you tube video of a restored garrard 301 in action. the platter motions while playing an lp were very "wobbly" and bouncy ,like it was tracking a warped record or a spring in the suspension was "detuned" is this an optical illusion or is this normal to the idlers ?. i've never seen this on a vpi ,acoustic signature ,technics 1200 direct drive , kronos ultra high end etc .
Whatever it is that you are talking about, it is not "normal to idlers". Idlers can be judged by the very same criteria used to judge belt- and direct-drive turntables; the platter should never wobble visibly. At the micro level, probably no turntable is absolutely perfect in that regard, but if you can see the phenomenon, you've got a problem. My guess is that the LP was warped.
The Garrard 301, and 401, have no suspension. The platter sits atop a spindle that is around 5-6" long, in a substantial bearing well, and bronze bushings. This bearing well is affixed solidly to the chassis. I can't imagine a scenario in which a platter/spindle would be so unstable. The spindle/bearing on my 40+ year old Garrard 401 is still functioning as well as it did when new. It has to be caused by something else, as mentioned, a warped record or such.
I have three idler drive tables. Garrard, EMT, and Dual. The platters all run true with out wobble. If you're thinking of getting an idler driven table, I recommend them.. Mine are used often (the Dual every day) without issues or problems.
Man, that's just weird. I watched several of the YouTube videos from Cryo Parts and the record looked like it was warped on most of them. Why would you create a video using a warped record? And it was crappy music to boot......
The video on the Cardas website shows George lowering the arm on his very expensive turntable (that really complicated acrylic one with a woman’s name attached to it---the name escapes me at the moment), onto a somewhat warped LP. George, why not use an absolutely flat one for your video?! The music sucked too, kind of New Age easy listening. Reinforces the image civilians have of audiophiles. But George's Magneplanar Tympani-IVa's sure look great!
If you watch the video carefully, in addition to the record warp, there appears to be a discoloration or a variance in the texture of the edge of the platter that gives the illusion that the entire platter is bobbing up and down.
Yeah, that's the one folkfreak. Brooks told me he was involved in it's design, and used one as his shop's main table for a few years before his death. I don't know what happened to it, but Brian doesn't have it. Sheila has sold off a lot of Brooks personal gear, and had me sell the vintage drums I had provided him with, in the last few years of his life. Brian kept one kit, a 1960's Rogers.
Sheila asked me to find a band to play at Brooks' 50th birthday party at their house in La Verne, and I did---my own! Brooks got up on the kit and played "Wipe Out", the happiest I ever saw him. I miss Brooks a lot.