Thanks, just want bass to come back,my speakers go low and its very bass shy and not worth listening to. I can handle tipped up treble.I'm at just under 300 hours. I was considering pulling it and moving it to fridge and freezer for a couple weeks. |
I'm not here to open a can of worms on cable or outlet burn in, just advice from others that that have experienced what I'm hearing. Am I looking at 3,4 or 500 hours of break in time? It would be nice if people like roberjerman would keep there sarcasm to themselves. |
Auxinput is correct, painful treble did come in at around 160 hours and is unlistenable but that is gone now at 300 hours.
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This morning everything was the same. So I ran an long extension cord outside to air compressor. Rigged it so it runs continues, ran it 30 minutes then turned it off and on 15 or 20 times. Ran it 15 minutes then off and on 20 times did this for over an hour per socket, so maybe hour and half per socket. Hooked system back up bass was back highs were very smooth, I know it sounds crazy but it worked. After everything warmed up an hour or so this system has never sounded this good. Thank you for everyone's support.
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kosst_amojan, only problem my system has it's going to have to break in more NCF outlets because I'm buying more. After bass came back over next couple days it kept improving and became more and more enjoyable to listen to, actually shocked. Big tight bass and killer information retrieval but very natural sounding from an outlet, who would think. I didn't know $200 could buy this much improvement. |
kosst_amojan, if you like here is my system, VTL mono blocks, Manley, BAT and Don Allen preamps, Exemplar Audio modded Oppo tube CD player, Manley phono preamp, Linn lp12 Cirkus,with Pink Triangle Pink Linnk out board power supply, Soundsmith cartridge, Running Springs power conditioner. I'm sorry but it's not "nonsense" what my system went through over the last couple weeks. Even my kids heard the difference from another room and they could care less about 2 channel audio. I find you very close minded and rude. There doesn't have to be tangible evidence just the ability to accept what you are hearing and from what others have said here I'm not alone.
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After my post on 5/9/18 claiming "big tight bass and killer information retrieval" I was very happy with results. The only thing that was missing was the little sparkle on top end that was there the first day I installed outlet which was 5/1/18. I was told by dealer I bought NCF from all that would come back when it was broken in. Yeasterday 5/13/18 out of nowhere extra little sparkle came back. That puts break in right at 2 weeks plus the 6 day burnin from dealer for anyone going through Furutech break in. I won't mention dealer name but he is a very honest brick and mortar Furutech dealer that I have dealt with in the past. He may have made a honest mistake and sent me a non burned in outlet, I will never know.
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no thanks , your the one that stated " like I've argued this elsewhere" I also was looking at buying a fuse and glanced at fuse thread and there you were being the same broken record as you are here. I assume you carry your ignorant philosophy everywhere you go! I don't think I'll be researching kosst_amojan, so list your system |
I've burned in my share of wire and gear over the years but this outlet takes the cake. Everything was nice this weekend then 2 nights ago it became bass shy again, detail and vocals are still nice but can start to shout at me at time. I've put everything back on 24/7 burn in again. I'm a little under 400 hours ( I quit 24/7 burn in after it started sounding better) not including supposedly 6 day dealer burnin. I did notice when things were sounding nice the bass was not as big and boomy as before NCF outlet but more controlled, which I liked.
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lak, I feel your aggravation with kosst_amojan. He has been a member 1 year and a couple days and has over 1200 post all ranting the same thing he does here. Also he has never bought or sold a thing on Audiogon. It's bad enough waiting for your system to settle down while breaking in a component and looking for insight and help from knowledgeable people on this forum that have experienced the same as I without ignorant comments from kosst. I really would like to know what kosst system consist of to not hear improvement from anything power related. If that's the case he real needs to have his "stuff" checked out because something is really wrong with it!
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Then then list your system here kosst, lets see what's not garbage
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kosst, I find you very offensive and I bet so would the high end audio manufactures. I added a Hubble hospital grade outlet to a Pass Lab x 250 and a old Theshold years back there were improvements across the board, my first non contractor grade outlet. Why don't you email Pass Lab and talk to them about there power supply's. See if they think they are garbage. I've become friends over the years with some of these manufactures we send each other albums, funny emails, Christmas cards. Never met them but we can talk for hours on a personal level and help building a system, and for you to call there power supply's garbage is personal. I first came here for help with a problem as this being my first outlet other than the Hubble. Now problem has resurfaced. I don't even want to post anything about it because I know your hanging over all heads waiting to pounce, please go back where you came from, I'm asking nicely, if you not helping me or others please stay away.
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Today makes 3 weeks, I put them back on 24/7 couple days ago and I still think they need more time. Highs are nice but the bass and fullness is lacking, I may be around 450 hours. Has anybody had problems with bass this far in breakin process? Did anyone find even with 1000 or more hrs or fully broken in bass was not as full or big as before adding NCF? Maybe tighter bass but not as big or full. This is a bad ride trying to break in these little outlets.
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I don't believe they are reversed. I have black to brass screws. I may check for piece of mind. It's not there is no bass just not as before outlet install. I would think 450 hours would be sufficient time, but what do I know never used rhodium before. I'll flip some power cord around to see if there is a change. Only though is years ago I reconfigured system and cables were pulled and system was not used for 3 or 4 days. It took a couple days of running system to come back way it sounded before. Maybe I'm not using enough current for breakin due to no solid state amps to run 24/7 playing music. I'm not ready to give up yet because highs are better than I've ever heard in this system. |
We are heading to beach for day, was going to keep it on burn in. I couldn't handle not trying if it did anything overnight before I left. I'll be damn it's full and big again. Last night you couldn't even hear the kick drum and was way over shadowed with highs. You can fell the bass pressure in the room now lows and highs have balance. This thing swings soniclly during breakin more than anything I've tried while in this hobby. All I can do is cross my fingers and try to be patient if things go bad again. It's back on breakin items again while I'm gone.
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audiolab, I do, 40 years and roller coaster ride helped me feel I'm not nuts. What I don't understand is how so many people can have such a different experience. Some 200, 500 to 700 hours and ozzy never heard a problem from the beginning. I don't doubt anyone's findings. Only thing I do know is I hear things that have no explanation why and have to explain to a friends wife tonight why I have 2 old computer towers 3 fans, 2 little LCD Tv's facing the wall, an old wii, 2 receivers running full blast in a music room. She thinks I'm nuts! But when the music is playing right it's all worth it, like it is right now. Hope it stays this way and breakin is over, but it may sound like a big transistor radio tomorrow who knows. |
All was well Sunday, Monday. Last night bass was thin highs unlistenable. Didn't spend much time listening just enough to see what's going on last few nights My system is slight on warm side of neutral. I have not stopped burn in. I'm not sure what's going on but I'm to the point of boxing everything and dropping it off at Goodwill. I'm wondering if a furutech gold added to the mix may help in the long run.
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Will do audiolab, had some time to kill on road this morning and called furutech dealer I bought from. He said at least 6 week burnin and it is normal for it to swing like this even with 450 to 500 hours. Loss of bass etched highs. Last night the highs were almost the worst I've heard during this process, like broken glass. He also mentioned these outlets are very system dependent on how they react. He builds his statement power conditioners with these NCF's outlets so he has to have some experience and feed back from customers. Will try 12 and 12, what a crazy hobby! |
Geoff, I mean no disrespect, but paint peeling off walls, Geritol, I don't get it. A lot of words but not much content. Maybe I missed something, if so sorry. I'm a 55 year old drummer and guitar player since age of 12. I own Gretch round badge, stop sign badge, Ludwig classic, Fibes Austin Jasper shells,DW, zildjian A's, K's and over 20 snare drums. Martin D28, Hummingbird, Strat ,les Paul, SG, Telecaster and spend time in studios. All these instruments have there own sound. In my system I can hear the brand of instrument that was chosen for the recording if I am familiar with it. Most of the time breaking in this outlet I can't tell the difference between an A or K cymbal. I'm at 4 weeks running through a Running Springs Audio Dmitri with a RSA HZ power cord from wall to RSA. Maybe when breaking in power related products the type of power conditioner used is a big factor why mileage varies.My system has been the same for years. I Just listen to music not the system. Geoff you brag about selling so much gear are you never happy with your system.
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Sorry for misunderstanding, that many feedbacks and all positive you definitely deserve a pat on the back!
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Schizophrenic is the only way I can describe the NCF. There is no immediate gratification with this purchase. It's really a long bad ride but once it's over it was well worth the aggravation. I almost pulled it out of the wall and stuck it in a drawer so I could listen to music again. David is right if I had to do it again I would put it on the fridge/deep freezer and forget about it for a while. I do think if it gets hit with quick draw of high current on and off it helps but 24/7 is a must. If you make it through the break in of NCF any other component breakin will be a breeze. I had to give it 7 to 8 weeks before it was okay to listen to music and improvement begins after that. The part that got me was the first few hours it sounded fantastic came back later and sounded like trash. I just moved recently and set my system up and it sounded okay, thought maybe everything just needed to settle in but then I remembered I forgot to install NCF. Stuck it in the wall and everything was right. I realized the NCF really does make a large improvement in my system. I also own the furutech gold and there is no comparison. Hang in there it gets better I promise.
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