You can read through my thread on this subject in the archives, to date over 14,000 veiws.
However, you want far and away better precision for less then half the price?, look up MintLp in the archives preferably Stringreens thread on the subject.
Top class. My favourite vinyl set up tool and beautifully made. It will last a lifetime.
very easy to use. the nice thing about it is that it is not dedicated to one arm as the mint lp or walltractor tools are.
Love my Feickert. Used it for a few different arms now. Works like a charm and I never have to worry about what arm I decide to use down the road as it will work for everything and has the curves for a couple of different mounting approaches, if your interested in that.
Cartridge alignment is only one aspect of a turn table set up, however crucial.
Agree, the Feikert protractor is convenient for set up of multiple brands of tone arms and cartridges, at best, a handy tool for a dealer.
Now think about this , with all the work and expense involved with analogue play back and as critical as cartridge alignment is.
Why would anyone stop short of precisly dialing in their cartridge with a Feikert when high precision protractor's like the Wally or MintLp are available?....Again I refer you to member Stringreen's thread on the MintLp.
Agreed with stiltskin. I have a feickert protractor. The line and dots is so much thicker than mintlp protractor. That itself clearly indicates the accuracy of mintlp compare to feickert. Anybody want to buy feickert which I uses 1-2x pls email me
More agreement with Stiltskin.
Even if the lines on the Feickert were as fine as those on the Mint, which they're not, it would still suffer from the fatal flaw of not being built on a mirror.
Without the parallax effect afforded by a mirror, it's impossible to by sure you're sighting precisely down the line you're trying to align the cantilever to. Unless you've used a mirrored protractor you've no idea how easy it is to be off by several degrees - which defeats the whole purpose.
I humbly disagree with Stiltskin and Doug.
Alignment is only one of the functions possible with the Feickert. For me the greatest benefit is setting the spindle to tonearm distance accurately which allows the absolute effective tonearm length and overhang as specified by the tonearm designer.
Only those with adjustable (swinging) armboards (as on the Ravens), will appreciate this function but with the Feickert it is possible to get these accurate to 0.2mm.
I have the DaVinci 12"Ref Grandezza tonearm which comes with the Feickert complete with the set-up platter with one side dedicated to the DaVinci and the other side applicable to all arms.
I also have the Continuum Copperhead tonearm which comes complete with a dedicated Wally Tractor.
When I set up the Copperhead using the Feickert, I obtain 99% accuracy when I then test it against the Wally Tractor.
However when I try to set it solely using the Wally, I can achieve little better than 90%?
Halcro, sorry I don't quite understand your last paragraph, are you talking about measured pivot to spindle accuracy?
An arc protractor such as your Wally that inscribes a specific arc your cartridge stylus follows and if set up is done correct you will know the stylus is where it should be.
The proof is heard in the play back.
I didn't get this with Grahams ingenious set up jigs for the Phantom, nor did I get this with the Feikert.
Sorry Stiltskin if I was unclear.
If I try to set up the Copperhead by adjusting the cartridge to follow the arc of the WallyTractor which (correct me if I'm wrong) has the same mirrored base and inscribed arcs as the Mint, I can't seem to achieve a perfect match without taking hours and hours.
However if I adjust the Copperhead using the Feickert and THEN run it over the WallyTractor arc, Le Voila!!!
And yes you are right......the proof is definitely heard in the playback.
Henry Yes using an arc protractor for some can wear patience fast,for me,by the third attempt every step became a whole lot easier.
Setting up your Copperhead with the Feikert are you saying your stylus follows the inscribed arc of the Wally?
One major feature of a mirrored arc tractor its designed to allow the ability to align the cantilever and stylus tip to a extreme degree of accuracy which further reduces distortion.
And yes the MintLp and Wally tractors are similar as far as design goals are.
However the Wally as far as I know right now is next to impossible to get.
Yes Stiltskin, when I set up the Copperhead with the Feickert (20 minutes), it then follows the arc of the Wally Tractor (Baerwald)....perfectly!
The Feikert VS The Mint, well Henry you beat me by about 10 minutes.
More time for whisky and music :-)
The $250 Feickert does indeed measure spindle-to-pivot accurately.
A $2 ruler does also.
More money for whiskey and music!
Nice one Doug.
Having been in the building industry for 40 years, I can assure you than trying to 'eyeball' a hand-held ruler over the dead centre of a 4mm diam shaped spindle at the same time as 'eye-balling' a mark on this ruler over an ill-defined tonearm pivot hidden by the tonearm is no more accurate than a generic 2 point alignment card downloaded from the internet.
The Feickert 'locks' in both spindle and tonearm pivot and is attached to an aluminium 'beam' which has NO deflection compared to a wooden, metal or plastic ruler over the same distance.
It seems a little odd to be so adamant about 'thinner' etched lines and parallax error compensation of the mirror backed Wally and Mint protractors whilst at the same time proposing such an inaccurate method of effective length and overhang measurement?
with a custom made arc protractor, the need to be highly accurate at setting P2S doesn't exist. You just need to be close, 1/2 mm or so. Aligning to the arc takes care of the rest of the precision because the arc was drawn using the effective length. No futzing with overhang, it all comes out in the wash. That is why the lines are so important. And, the same tool is used to do the rest of the alignment so nothing moves during the process after the arc is being traced. It really is hard to explain, and much easier to demonstrate. There really is more than one way to approach things. I'm not saying any is better than the other. But some are definitely less expensive.
What Dan_Ed said.
My TT spindle has a lathe mark that's dead center. Easy to see and measure precisely.
Your spindle doesn't have a center mark? You can make your own - for free.
How? Simple. Mark a dot, as tiny and precise as you please, on a square of Scotch Tape. Stick that on your spindle and spin the platter. If the dot oscillates it's not centered. Move the tape, spin again, reiterate until the dot remains stationary. Voila!
(It took me longer to type that than it takes to actually do it. It's so easy it's trivial.)
Your tonearm pivot point is "ill-defined"? No problem. Use the same trick. I've done this with Rega and OL arms and it should work with most arms where the bearing center isn't obvious or accessible to a ruler. Again, so easy it's trivial.
Your ruler deflects over a 9-12" span? Even I'm not THAT cheap. Buy a sturdier ruler.
As I said, I've used a Feickert and I agree it's well made and measures S2P quite accurately. However, I can and do perform the same task with similar accuracy for 99% less money. So can anyone with a little thought and care. It's not the cost of the tools, it's how you use them.
Long story short, it seems it is a good tool and if you dont have the inclination to make one up, this is a good tool that measures better than most for reasonable coin.
I have been using my Feickert for a while and could not imagine getting a more accurate tool for S to P distance and overhang for my Triplanar.
However - I read the threads about the MintLP arc protractor and the accuracy that it has inherent to its design.
So I ordered one and received it last week.
I got ready for cartridge adjusting mode - plenty of time available with no distractions on a nice calm morning and I prepared to do battle..you know the drill..
I had the greatest surprise ever that morning..
The Feickert setup followed the MintLP arc exactly.
Yes, exactly - even with high magnification.
It was as perfect as I could ever get it.
I put my tools away and listened to music instead, very happy with Chris Feickert and his protractor.
So it boils down to: both of these tools are excellent with the Mintlp being less expensive. But -do not take anything away from the capabilities of the Feickert - In my case it is exactly as accurate as the MintLP and still my favorite analog tool.
Enjoy the music.
I think what is being misread here or just plainly ignored is the fact that a mirrored protractor such as the Wally or Mint will take your set up to a higher level regardless what you think a Feikert will do.
Just because your stylus traces the arc doesn't mean your set up is finished.
There is a host of testimonials through out the threads I mentioned above including others on this topic that explain this.
My experience using the superb Phantom jigs including the Feikert protractor repeatedly, clearly demonstrated to me after using the Mint that my cantilevers alignment was always off.
Incredible as it may seem to some, FINE tuning the alignment of your cantilever has a sonic benefit, one that is readily heard.
This is why mirrored protractors such as the Wally and Mint exist produced by people that know a few things about analogue play back.
Try all you want with the Feikert it will not get you there.
As Doug points out above and as I know ,the reference lines are too thick and the disk is not built on a mirror. Clearly this limits what the Feikert can actually do.
However some may not be so inclined to fuss with such minuscule adjustments to the cantilevers position and close is good enough ,that's fine.
fwiw, my experience is identical to Joe55ag. I had the Feickert and bought a Mint....my set-up was dead-on.
If I had to choose one to begin with, I would choose the Mint due to the inherent accuracy and lower price. However, the Feickert can be a great general purpose tool for those who want some flexibility in their tools.
I own the Feickert and find it both useful and easy to use.
FWIW, I also own the "Turntable Basics" phono cartidge alignment tool (mirrored). I also own both the "TT Basics" and the Shure stylus force gauges.
For folks like me, with a combined investment in table/tweaks, cartridge/stylus and phono stage of $2000, the "TT Basics" alignment tool plus their little seesaw stylus force gauge for $35 total are the only tools needed. I do find the Shure gauge easier to use...but no more accurate.