Exotic Reissue Lps VS. Rare orig Which one? $$=$$


I put this Lp up for sale, when I noticed my asking price, wasn't so, "far-fetched" --from the unprecedented, $200+(!?) these new 45rpm Reissues are commonly priced at.
I got to thinking, "Since these Exotic Audiophile Reissues are
CREATING another NEW Genre for the Industry, with their Ground-Breaking prices..at what point WILL the Devoted Vinyl collector, jump ship from the 'Audiophile' fleet, and replace that habit with the unmistakable Joy --that awaits them, in
the tradition of 1st Issue LP collecting??
The monetary investment needed to fund either one, WILL BE similar enough-- IF it isn't all ready(but it is); That this HAS to be a viable, fiercely practical question upcoming. I say it IS ALL READY. If I'm wrong, I'll have a difficult time selling this Pristine, Original Stereo Issue, Gem from my collection.
A very reputable, online Rare Vinyl Dealer, I'm certain we're all acquainted with, here at Audiogon; had their recent Mint condition Bill Evans Trio LP Titles, sell quickly. 1st Stereo Issue offerings also, all gone. No problem at all, being purchased by a lucky few, of their enormous constituency.

With the Exotic Reissues now reaching an unprecedented $200+ per Title, why wouldn't the devoted LP Collector spend just one more,(approx.)'Ben Franklin' -- and add a Minty Fresh Original Issue Title to their Archives? Reissue Lps at their inception, were 1st about NEW access, due to rarity...for following generations. Were they not?
The "Remastering" or, "Re-engineering -for an alternate, similar, sonic quality, or, "attempting to imitate, that which only an 'Orig. Issue' affords,".....wasn't this 'quality' avenue pursued by the "Audiophile" the latter idea?
Though it IS complimentary to the Reissue, --as a courtesy offered to a new generation of music lovers. I believe the "alternate quality" of the Audiophile reissue logically follows...the former.

I'm interested in dissenting opinions.... it's the best way to learn something new.
And who wants to constantly-- "getup/sitdown" while changing a one-sided, 45rpm twelve-inch album 4 times per title anyway? Listening to music is about relaxing, not Aerobic exercise. My workday is too long as it is all ready.

Not to be controversial, for its own sake... but which really IS the best choice?? Do I want to support a for-profit industry with my limited music dollar?? Or would I prefer to be one that contributes to the preservation of history?? ....the nearly extinct Original LP??

The following is why I chose the route I did, with my music $$$ --
decades ago. For me, these 1,2,3's still make sense:




The distinct advantages of doing so:

1) Superior aesthetic NO reissue will ever compete with
--Enjoy.

2) Best Value=Reissue?? NOT... So why not passionately
enjoy, what the Audiophile industry will ALWAYS be
attempting to emulate anyway? Life's too short...

3) Superior Investment. Original Issue Lps appreciate more
than reissues do. And what influences the Audiophile
Reissue more/less to appreciate anyway?
The forever increasing value of an Original......

4) And who wants to constantly-- "getup/sitdown" while
changing a one-sided, 45rpm twelve-inch album 4 times
per title anyway? Listening to music is about relaxing,
not Aerobic exercise. My workday is too long as it is
all ready.

So I say again......Not to be controversial, for its own sake... but which really IS the best choice?? Do I want to support a for-profit industry with my limited music dollar?? Or would I prefer to be one that contributes to the preservation of history?? ....the nearly extinct Original LP?? I'm really interested in fellow member's REASONS for their opinions, not just the opinion, Thanks.
fuschia_swingsong_me
i have just read this 3 times and i don't have a clue that the problem is....just buy music, any media you like.
Depending on the type of music.
Original classical will almost never be worth much money, nor will it appreciate in value (aside from certain Mercury and RCA's)Reissued Classical is in the same boat.
The real value is in original Jazz albums. Perfect BlueNote originals from the 50's and 60's are worth upward of $200 a pop now, IF you can find one. Some Jazz reissues do have an increase in value.
(had someone offer me a collection they inherited. It was all Classical, I had to tell them it was worth only a free haul away.. If it would have been the same years of Jazz, they would have been worth Thousands!)
Rock depends on what it is. A few are valuable, many are worthless (or, under a buck..)
I personally would continue to search for original pressings. The reissues, as 'fancy' as they are, still are overpriced, prone to being warped as new, will never really gain in value (at least for many many years)
It is far more fun to search out old, high quality original LPs, than to buy remastered 'audiophile' vinyl.
This is my story and I stick to it.
(I have about 6,000 Lps I aquired a few years ago... when I decided to get back into vinyl
It depends.
Agree with all the above and also ask, what is this reissue that costs $200.00?

I recently subscribed to the 45 RPM Blue Notes from Music Matters Jazz and also the set from Chad at Acoustic Sounds. THEY ARE INCREDIBLE! and they are only $50.00 for two thick LP's in a beautiful jacket with great art work.

Tonight I was playing a 10" Chet Baker from 1955. I noticed the original price sticker was $4.95. For those that don't remember, that was a lot of money in 1955.

Considering what minimum wages were in 1955 and minimum wage today, the new twin virgin vinyl 12" LP's are close to the four song 10" from 1955 in price.

I don't see a problem and certainly no rip off.
I use the following rule of thumb:

If the record is available as a high-quality reissue - say 180 - 200g 33RPM - I won't pay more than than the reissue price for the original. If it is not available as a reissue then I'll consider spending more depending on how bad I want the record.

I'm sure they're great, but the prices for some of these 45 rpm reissues are really obscene.
I can say from experience that except in very rare instances the original will always sound significantly more musically natural than the reissue regardless of the genre of the record. If you doubt this, compare any wide band Decca SXL 2000 or early SXL 6000 against the reissue; NO CONTEST! Likewise compare the Speaker's Corner reissues of the Mercury catelogue against original pressings or early re-pressings. Unfortunately, the early pressings of collectable records are often much more expensive than the re-issue, take for instance the RCA Soria Royal ballet box or the Mercury Starker box, both of which in early pressings in mint condition (assuming that you can find one) are clocking in at $1000 to $1500 apiece. The reissues in many instances are very good and offer listeners a chance to hear classic performances that they would otherwise not have access to. Maybe the reissues even create a demand for the originals. If you decide to make this test yourself, it is imperative to do so using a tonearm on which you can adjust VTA. The 180 gram and the 200 gram records are lifeless at the VTA settings used for normal issues and the difference between using the VTA set for a 180 gram record on a 2oo gram reissue is very audible.
Fred, that may be correct for Decca, I have not made the comparison with original versus reissues.

I assure you, the Blues reissues from Speaker Corner blow away the Chess originals and every other reissue I've ever heard. Howling Wolf, Big Bill Broonzy, Muddy Waters et all.

I also have a few Blue Note originals and I personally think the Music Matters Jazz (45 RPM stereo) versions are the best I've ever heard. I agree they don't sound the same, the old versions are darker, more distorted and (often) mono.

The RVG reissues that Steve Hoffman and Kevin remastered were taken from the ORIGINAL session tapes. The first pressing LP's are taken from a studio mono mix down via an Ampex. Nothing wrong with the first issue, but it is one more tape away from the master and why throw away the stereo when it was recorded that way in the first place?

I wonder how history might view these reissues if Alfred Lion had not pushed RVG to mix down to mono before sending off that copy to be pressed to LP?

And last, like the mix or not, the Beatles "Love" which was taken from the original session tapes destroy every other Beatles LP I've heard, (judging from sonics only, not creativity), only a few Euro LP's are close, including the German "Die Beatles" uncompressed release.
I can only speak with any authority about RCA, Mercury and Decca reissues and perhaps with respect to a few 60's and 70's rock groups and folk groups which I collect, in particular Dire Straits and John Renbourn. Jazz is an area about which I know little other than I enjoy the music. In general, the closer you can get to the original pressing, the better the sound will be. I will say that I have been very impressed with the Music Matters 45 rpm jazz reissues to which I have subscribed. Again, the ability to properly adjust VTA is critical inorder to fully appreciate the sound of these reissues. I have not generally been impressed by the Classic re-issues nor for that matter by the Speaker's Corner reissues of the Mercury classical catelogue. note that I have still bought them and do enjoy listening to them so long as I do not compare them directly to to early pressings of the original. I suspect that part of this is the age of the master tapes and the deterioration that they have sufferred. Again, let me stress that reissues serve a useful purpose in that they provide a broader access to rare performances. I should also say that I have great respect for Steve Hoffman and what he is able to achieve.
Fcrowder,I don't mean to hijack this thread but you are so right on with the VTA adjusting. To many times people come on agon and say this recording is terrible no air,no bass,no seperation of instruments which is why I'm in the market for a new tonearm that is easier to adjust the vta. I hate having to break out an allen wrench and hope I don't screw up all the other settings on my ET2 or crack the tonearm retightning it. For what it's worth if you collect music as an investment either one of these recordings Original pressing vs. audiophile reissue is a choice. If you have 30 years to resale buy the reissue but beware sometimes they are not done well or can be warped or buy the original and flip it in five years for a moderate financial gain.
Fushia, it sounds like you already answered your question. I've found that some of the 45rpm re-issues sound better than originals. One in particular is the fabulous Mercury Prokofiev Scythian Suite and Love for Three Oranges. I have two FR originals, one with a huge localized defect BUT as such, unplayed. The 45 rpm reissue retains the "boogie-factor" of the originals, yet has much better focused bass and slashing dynamics.

As in vinyl as in life, generalized observations to re-assure one's self may cause one to miss out.
Better's continually in the eye of the beholder. I have the Mercury Scythian Suite/3 Oranges in the original LP, the Classic Reissue, The CD reissues all in excellent shape (including the original). The best "presentation" resides in the reissue vinyl, but there's an "originality" that can't be denied on the original FR2/FR1 pressings that may (or may not) be related to the age of the master tapes. In any event, that performance is always "THE" one to beat, primarily because conductors used to let their resident Brass sections "off the chain" back then in order to help sell that (then) new catalog of music to high fidelity consumers. Now...not so much....
The moron that calls himself my doctor suggested that I take up jogging to lower my blood sugar.I have countered with I'll buy more 45RPM re-issues,hence more exercise,better sound,advanced contentment leading to side benefit of lower blood pressure.Perhaps I can get him to write me a perscription for Music Matters series.
For those of you who are looking for great Mercury Living Presence sound and performances and don't want to foot the bill for expensive originals or reissues, try the Philips reissues in the "Golden Imports" series. Most of the Mercury catalogue was reissued by Philips in this series. They sound great, they're cheap and have quieter vinyl than the originals. Also, don't pass up the mono Mercury's that never came out in stereo. Some of them can be truly amazing. Beautiful covers too.