Epos M12.2 vs. Von Schweikert VR 1 vs. GMA Europas

Anyone compare the differences amongst these three contenders?

Current setup:

Unison Research Unico
Rotel RCD971 transport
MSB Link DACIII half nelson
StudioLab Reference 1's (4.5 inch cone, .75 inch tweeter)
Kimber D60 silver (transport to dac)
MIT (Can't remember model) interconnects
Audioquest type 4 and no-name brand 12 gauge speaker cable (bi wired)
note: ic's and speaker cable will be changed once speaker is selected.

Room is 11.5 x 14.5 x 8 (give or take).

Equipment setup on the long wall. TV is in between speakers. Equipment and stand is below tweeter level, but still in between speakers.

The way it sounds now:

Lacks 'air' surrounding instruments and voices

sounds a bit veiled and muddy, but still light and lively. I realize this may seem to be a contradiction in terms, but it IS fast sounding - just not as transparent as I want it to be.

treble is very good, smooth, but again, midrange has a 'veil' to it (was not able to audition the existing speakers in house, so I bought them based on in-store experience - and against my better judgement).

Good transition from highs to mids, but then there's some sort of suckout in the lower midrange. Also, there's some sort of bass hump at the lowest point - and YES, i've tried all KINDS of room placement. This is more a matter of placement and room issues than a true speaker problem, but it's a problem none the less.

So, I've come to the conclusion that these speakers just don't 'do it' for me, even though they ARE good in many ways/ with the right system.

been looking at the three listed above, but have only actually HEARD the Epos M12's (albeit NOT the M12.2 and not at home). The M12's mate well with the Unico. Very good detail retrieval and great dimensionality/ spatial cues. Voices, both male and female, sound fantastic with very stable focus/ image.

Wondering if anyone has compared them to the GMA Europas or the Von Schweikert VR 1's... and if so, what kinds of differences/ similarities exist amongst the three?

I'm looking for air, transparency, speed, detail and tight bass. My room and amp lend themselves to a rounded low end (that is, even speakers with limited low end can sound boomy if not carefully placed, as i've mentioned before), so I have to be careful in my selection (ie. front port vs. rear port vs. sealed).

Are all these models comparable? Are they in the same league? Any comments on direct comparisons would be VERY much appreciated, as I have no way to directly compare these products.

Thanks in advance
I home demoed both the VR1 and the GMAs...no brainer...Europas hands downs...unlike the majority of high end speakers that punish all but the best recordings...the GMAs have the uncanny ability of focusing on what a recording is doing WELL...even a poor one...and once you hear a truly phasecorrect speaker...well...game over...
the amp perhaps..the speakers are fine.
I have not heard the Epos speakers, but like Phasecorrect, I have compared the VR1's and the Europas. It really was no contest, GMA hands down. To be fair, I did not listen to the VR1's under ideal circumstances. I "auditioned" them at my local Tweeter and the amp, positioning, etc left a lot to be desired.
In the price range that it looks like you are shooting for, its going to be tough to beat the Europa. I won't go into great detail regarding their sound, so much has already been said in this forum, but I have been very satisified to say the least.
I owned the Epos M12 and the Europa's, kept the Europa's.

Your problem could be the Audioquest Type4. I had a chance to home-audition them and found they lack "life and air" as if they overly smooth out the sound. They also tend to attenuate the mid-range.

Yes, you are very much correct with your comments on the AudioQuest Type 4 cable. Still, I firmly believe that the sonics that I wish to clean up are too far askew for the corrections to be made solely by cables and ic's.

what I need are speakers that produce the overall character of sound for which i'm looking. I'll fine tune afterwards with ic's and speaker cables.

thanks guys,

Sorry I haven't compared the three on your list. I have spent some time with the Europas. I spent three hrs yesterday listening to a friends $7000.00 Equation 25 http://www.mutine.com/pages/equation25en.html ..beautifully hand made speakers.These speakers use ceramic tweeters and I mean real ceramic tweeters $900.00 for the tweeters alone with an expensive 8 inch Seas Magnesium Driver in each speaker. The Equation 25s in my book are one of the top two way box speakers in the world! No the Europas can't compete in dynamics with these speakers but for speed,delicacy,airy highs and midrange they truley give them one hell of a run for the money.
Not hyping the speakers since I am still a Maggie Head but I must give them their credit ..these speakers are good and I mean damn good!
What started out as a trip to audition a matching transport (CEC TL-51x) for my dAck DAC turned out to be the discover of this speaker and a search on the web this morning for more information.

Finding more info on these beautifully voiced speakers resulted in Google hits relating to astro physics. The units were driven by the new TL-51x transport and I heard new detail on a familiar recording rendered in a completely natural mannuer. Then the SYNC light on my battery powered DAC dissapeared but what I heard in those 20 seconds was wonderful. Rob (the dealer) then put in an Audiomat DAC that was pretty good...but a little bit less magic for the rest of the audition. If you long for a liquid midrange, making sense of a recording, and decay trail giving you a sense of the musician's interplay, then, you should go to the Mutine link above and find a dealer near you. You will not regret it.

Sadly, this manufacturer seems to not lend out free samples to reviewers and is thus not widely reviewed. It seems to rely on word of mouth. My reference is still the ATC SCM20.

P.S. When I got home, I plug the DAC unit into my transport expecting the worst...music played forth(sigh of relief)...go figure!!!

Some links:
Mutine page on Equation 25

Atlantic Audio Society meeting featuring Equation 25

Sounstage review of smaller Equation 7...they have a family sound.
Jb3, I'm curious since Von Schweikert does not distribute and sell product to Tweeter how you came across a pair to audition? VSA has a small, exclusive dealer network and you will not find VSA speakers at the "chains".

Merlin TSM-MM or MX .
I'm glad to see someone else has experienced the Equation 25s. They are terrific speakers..eh, system matching is very critical though. With the wrong front end they can be ear bleeders.I would think your NON OS Dac would be a terrific match. Not an easy speaker to find either. I sold my friend's pair to a nice Agon member in Germany. As far as I know he still owns them.

Good listening