emt 950, technics sp10 - direct drive sound

I write this e-mail on the back of albert proters posts on his technics sp 10 mark 3.

What does an emt 950 sound like - I am fixing one up right now - how does it compare with the technics?

Stefano Pasini (bless him) can find no faults at all - there again he does not say much else other than about the history f the deck.

Also what do the other good DD's sound like?

It would be useful to get feedback of people that have owned new and old decks.

Also if anyone with emt's are interested I'd like to start a thread relating to those decks - the restoration etc - becasue whilst there are sources about the emt - there are no guides on how to restore them - trust me I have searched and everyone says go to Hans Fabritius or Studiotechnik - which defeats the purpose of self-restoration

I never listened the EMT 950 but one of my hi-fi friends own a EMT 948 and it sounds exactly like my lightly modded Technics SL1210 MKII .. same prat same way to sound
you bold statement is very soothing for all us Technics sl-1200mk2 owners :)
Ciao Siniy,

I didn't want to shock someone here with a "bold statement" I'm not that kinda audiophile or person!
We have just compared my lightly modified SL1210 MKII with the EMT 948 of Giuseppe one of our audiophile friends
Telling the truth no one in our group thoughts a 500 euro humble SL1210 could sound like a mint 5000 euro EMT 948
But the "ugly duckling" scored the same sound.
Obviously my SL1210 received a very fine tuning with a MintLP tractor while I don't think Giuseppe own a MintLP for his EMT.
As many here know .. the MintLP tractor improves to stellar level the stock SL1200 arm - cartridge alignement and so the sound consequent.
Probably the great result has to be ascribed at the perfect cartridge alignement more than the normal quality of a humble SL12xx

Btw .. God save MintLP and SL1200 :-)
Curio, Same tonearm and cartridge on the SL1210 and the EMT 948?
Same cartridge (Denon DL103R) but stock arm on my SL1210 MKII and EMT stock arm on the 948
I had a Technics sl-1210 and you can also hear it on youtube. I have an EMT 950, and this too can be heard on the net: http://www.shawsounds.com/restoration
Anybody who thinks an EMT sounds even close to technics (although I haven't heard the sp-10 III) has no idea what he is talking about.
the SL-1200Mk2 is much better. I hear that signature MC ringing in EMT sample. Don't know if it is a platter or the cartridge itself. The ringing has standard Moving Coil cartridge glare pattern, but I heard the same on other turntable manufacturers with MM cartridge. BTW, I listened in headphones. I tend to blame the cartridge first and I can conclude that this EMT cartridge is no better then all MC Ortofons with aluminum cantilevers.
Dear Curio: As you point out the cartridge alignment was different for those two set-up ( big difference ) but not only that two different tonearms too and two same cartridges ( that believe me are a little different between them. ) and I can asume two different platter TT mat.

IMHO all those " different " everything preclude a precise, absolute and " honest /fair " comparison for either TT and makes comments on it useless at least for Lohan who between other things are asking about/against the SP-10.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Dear Lohan: From the point of view of quality performance on DD TTs IMHO I think that some models like the ones you name it are very good performers along other units out there.
I can say that the Technics SP-10 ( either MK2 or 3 ), Denon DP-80/75/100, EMT 950 ( there are other EMT models. ), Yamaha's, Kenwood, Rockport, Monaco and the like are a very good alternative as is too very good alternative the BD systems. Btw, very difficult to say which is better, IMHO I like to think on it like a " different " alternatives " where each one has its own trade-offs.

Now, what makes a difference between the quality performance in those DD units including the ones you ask are not only the tonearm/cartridge combination but the plynth ( in the case of SP-10s different plinth different performance even in my cas I don't use a plinth. ), Mat and how deal the TT against its own and outside vibrations/resonances.

I think that every single DD owner ( any model ) has its own ( different ) opinion that is person/system dependent.

Try to find other EMT owners to find out how to achieve the best on an EMT TT, IMHO I think that could be the best you can make because a comparison against other no EMT TT's are useless when your unit is not even " running ".

I think that you have to give time to your EMT " put on target " work then the set-up with your tonearm/cartridge choose then understand what is happening then try to enjoy it and latter to think if the SP-10 or other DD could beat it in your own environment: well at least this is what I will make it in your place.

Good luck with your EMT task.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Just checking in to see how your EMT950 restoration went and whether a new thread has been started on the subject elsewhere. I just found this thread by accident, but all things EMT are of great interest to me. I own a 950 and a 930st (incidentally, I also have an SP10mkII, but to me the main interest here is the EMT side of the discussion, and not the comparisons to other brands). I have done some restoration work on my 950, with some (remote) help from Hans-Michael, and perhaps some of my experience could be of interest to others. I have some pictures I took during the process as well.
Well - this is my Taj Mahal - and it's a bit like the black one that was not built.

Simply put - I got an emt 929 arm, and then I got the iron plinth stripped.

GEtting the plinth stripped is a BAD BAD BAD move. what happened was becasue it is cast iron - as soon as it is was stripped the surface - by reason of being in a slightly moist atmosphere at the strippers - oxidised on the surface.

I have located an iron worker specialist - and they reckon they'll be able to strip and put on an undercoat - the problem with this is that they are on leave until August!

I am currently in the process of a house move - so it's all a bit tedious.

My wife, in her infinite wisdom chucked away some of my dismantling notes - I must say they were like hyrogliphics - but I am a bit annoyed, because i may well have to make a call to hans fabritius while i carry out the works.

So all is not well.

But I am very hopeful, becasue hans fabritius did sort out the electrics - so onwards and upwards.

In addition to this I am gonna have sufficient house space soon!
Well - I said I will do an update!
After getting the paint stripped off, it formed a fine layer of rust. I have just applied some liberon rust remover, and with some elbow grease - dremel and a wire brush - it is now showing the steely bare metal.