Emotional rollercoaster

Is that the Magnat with the dome mid-range? I can't remember if they came that way or lots of people upgraded them.  Dome mid-ranges are often good at wider/smoother dispersion, a key element usually of a successful loudspeaker in a typical room.

@mid-fi-crisis, may I ask how much you have spent on acoustic room treatments?  All that tweak stuff is meaningless until you fix your acoustics and then once you do that, you may find you don't need to chase tweaks as much.

While all amplifiers do not sound the same, in a particular style\architecture of amp, the differences when not pushed (by volume or speaker), can be small between competent amps and really good amps.

In my opinion, those that say "everything matters", are plainly wrong or at least miscommunicating. Everything does not matter to the same degree, not even close.  #1 is the recording. #2 is the speakers and #2a is the room. Spend a fortune on great speakers, and little on your room, then your system will never be good. You will probably continuously chase cables, and tweaks, often exclaiming Eureka! ... till the next Eureka!, but alas, the eureka is temporary.  #3 is source  (assuming a competent amp). #4 is amp. We assume at this point you have competent, but not expensive cables.

This concept of sound-stage and imaging, it does not come from expensive cables, nor expensive amplifiers, nor even expensive sources (competent is enough). It comes from the recording, speakers, and room.  There are many who have convinced themselves otherwise, and they will repeatedly claim X greatly expanded the sound-stage, but lets be honest, how many times can you claim that for the same system? I hate to think how bad it was before. 


One well placed acoustic panel will make a larger impact on how your system sounds than changing from any competent cable to an expensive cable. It won't even be close. It will be a bigger change than changing from a competent to expensive amplifier (assuming both similar in architecture/sonic style) in many cases. We are not talking "tweaking" the sound here, we are talking readily apparent and significant change.

Spending big bucks is not a sham. Being told you can't have a great system unless you spend big bucks on "certain" items .. yes, that is a sham.

millercarbon 5,108 posts

07-09-2020 11:53am

I’ve proved this more than once. Two of the best most fun systems I ever heard were ones I built for $1200 and $2500. The one for $1200 was set up in my listening room to burn in before delivery. For 2 weeks this little one was so darn captivating I never turned my main system on!

I know that millercarbon and I have different views on what is important in an audio system, but I believe his post reinforces a point I was making above whether he intended to or not. Take a look at millercarbon’s system pictures. I can’t speak to how well optimized his room is acoustically, but it certainly looks like it addresses all the basics well. In my opinion, that is why that $1,200 system sounds so captivating.


With odd exception, I could take friends speakers and amplifiers, hook the speakers up with $1/foot speaker cable, use stock cables, and use an LG V30 as the source, and it will sound not just a bit better, but a lot better in my dedicated custom built listening room, then it will in their homes, no matter the fancy sources, cables, or other doodads they have. It won’t even be close. There may be some minor "imperfections" in the sound, but w.r.t. an immersive experience, it won’t be close.

How do you know the ambience was accurate to the recording @boxer12? How many of your recordings are live miked with only 2 microphones placed head width at a typical listener position? .... Oh and that you were there for the recording?