I don't know Djjd, Albert finally got my interest peaked on the Soundlab stuff ( I am using ML ) so I whent to their site. At 210 lbs a piece and looking at the size of those things he shouldn't be missing enough to really care about. Too bad there aren't any dealers in my area I would like to hear them, well actually one of the more affordable models. But I could at least look at the big daddy...!