Easy to drive, outstandingly natural sound from 40-50 Hz up.....AN-E, O/96, others?


If my goal were to find natural-sounding, dynamic, and efficient speakers that can be driven with a somewhat lower-powered a (i.e., 50-watt SS) amplifier, and that work well with a variety of music, would I be looking at AN-Es, O/96s, or which others?
I am not particularly interested in using a 10-20 watt SET, but being able to use something lower-powered than the 300-watt amplifiers required for my 85dB speakers would open up a lot of other amplifier options and simplify things for me.  I have two fairly high-quality powered subs so the goal would be to fill my (moderately large) room from 40-50 Hz and up and let the subs handle the lower registers.
Any thoughts on the two speakers listed, or recommendations for others?
mitch2
I had it made by my local technician. I was skeptical that it would sound good but it really worked out great.

Exlibris wrote: "The reason I’m interested in making a change is not because adding subs threw off the balance, it’s because I find the speakers to be a bit "sleepy."

You might try a rear-firing tweeter to add a little bit more top-end energy to the reverberant field. This could theoretically "wake up" the tonal balance a bit WITHOUT screwing up the first-arrival sound and therefore the imaging.

The tweeter could actually sit on the floor behind the Audio Notes, facing upwards. You want to be sure the path lengths from the rear tweeters to your ears are at least a foot longer than the path lengths from the main tweeters to your ears, or else they could screw up the imaging. Probably just a first order crossover (series capacitor and maybe a level-adjusting series resistor),with the calculated F3 being fairly high. To avoid dropping the impedance curve very much, I suggest starting out with a high efficiency tweeter so that you need to add some series resistance to pad it down. Fostex comes to mind.

I'm sure there would be some trial-and-error involved in sorting out the component value(s) for the highpass filter, but ten or fifteen bucks worth of basic capacitors and resistors would get you started, and then you could opt for the more expensive parts once you have the values sorted out. 

Duke

Thanks Duke.  I've been thinking of doing that, at your suggestion, and have been looking at the Townshend maximum supertweeters.  

I'll add one thing...
Sometimes it's as if my system has even less jump after 2 or 3 hours of listening. I've often wondered if this a subjective thing or if it was something in my amplification chain.  Reading a post on another forum, the poster said this could be caused by hot speaker voice coils.  It's a drawback of a speaker being pushed beyond its natural efficiency for a long time.  
Most speakers can put me to sleep. A good set of horns will excite and delight. Enjoy ! MrD.

Exlibris wrote: "Thanks Duke. I’ve been thinking of doing that, at your suggestion, and have been looking at the Townshend maximum supertweeters."

I’d look primarily at adding some rear-firing energy from about 12 kHz to about 20 kHz... the Fostex FT17H is imo a fairly low-cost way of exploring this idea.

"Sometimes it’s as if my system has even less jump after 2 or 3 hours of listening. I’ve often wondered if this a subjective thing or if it was something in my amplification chain. Reading a post on another forum, the poster said this could be caused by hot speaker voice coils."

That would be my guess.

A 50-watt peak is like touching a 50-watt soldering iron to your woofer’s voice coil. It heats up instantly but cools down slowly. The voice coil’s resistance goes up with temperature, and the motor structure is the primary "heat sink" that the voice coil radiates into (the air inside the box is also heated). As the motor gets pretty hot there is a reduction of magnetic strength, which comes back once the magnet cools off. This is one of the downsides of going with drivers that have relatively low thermal capacity.

Thermal compression is a big consideration in prosound, and imo it is relevant but under-appreciated in home audio. Floyd Toole told me of some of the rapid-onset thermal effects he observed during his tests, and said that this is an area which has not yet been adequately investigated.

As a ballpark rule of thumb, thermal compression is typically about 1 dB at 10% of a driver’s rated AES power handling, and typically 3-4 dB at its AES rated power handling (which in turn is 1/2 its "music program" or "continuous" rating, and typically 1/4 of its "peak" rating.) This refers to the long-term compression effect once the voice coil and motor temperature have stabilized, so it takes a while set in. There are also the short-term effects that I spoke with Toole about, and my assumption is that there’s some correlation.

Not surprisingly, prosound-type drivers tend to have negligible thermal compression at quite loud home audio levels because they have both high efficiency and high thermal capacity. The challenge is, beating prosound drivers into submission so that they don’t have any distracting colorations. That’s what I try to do, because imo they have enough inherent advantages that it’s worth the effort. Obviously most speaker designers feel otherwise!

Duke