Dynaudio Confidence 20 vrersus Kef reference 1

Any any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Thanks much. Paul.
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He thinks his cheap earbuds sound amazing and that bose and sonos sound better than either of the fine speakers that you are looking at
That is because these high end speakers are never set up under the correct conditions. The bose and sonos are tuned more correctly. Of course they are not perfect. I have not claimed that. 

You would need a custom made studio to hear these high end speakers properly. How many high end dealers have their own custom made studio of the same level as a professional recording or mastering studio? 
The speakers you find on the market place such as Dynaudio confidence 20, are not custom tuned. Speakers must be fine tuned. Are YOUR speakers custom tuned to your ears Bruce? Or have you made a terrible mistake and bought a mass produced speaker that only profits the speaker companies? I suggest you have your speakers retuned to your ears rather than the speaker designers ears who presume to think that they know what you want to hear


Master Audiophile bar none.

Do you realize that you are a narcissist? Do you realize that you are pompous? Do you realize that those of us who have followed you for the past 6 months laugh at you and give you zero credibility?
Its not a crime to be pompous is it? You cannot be a narcissist unless you have been committed to a mental hospital and formally diagnosed. You have no qualifications to make these assertions.
You are just changing the subject because you are not able to add much to the actual discussion.

There are plenty of DIY guys out there putting together there own speakers... are they doing it wrong too?

Definitely. Very Wrong. 

Why do you profess to be the “best” speaker designer in the world yet you haven’t designed a single speaker?

Anybody can claim to be the best speaker designer. Every speaker company will claim that their design is superior. Show me the evidence Bruce. Show me the evidence that the Dynaudio confidence 20 is a brillant speaker. It costs $12k. I demand evidence.

Have you changed the crossover components, or the dsp in your bose wave radio or are you just a hypocrite?

I dont have a bose radio. Thats just your mistaken belief. The earbuds do not need modifying. They are still enjoyable despite their limitations.

Im sure there are people who have upgraded their crossover components... are they achieving audio nirvana?

You would need a retune not just upgrade the components. I never claimed the crossover is the answer to everything. There are many problems with speakers that cause audiophiles like you to be on the never ending speaker merry go round. I suggest you find out what you need to do to come off it. You are WRONG if you think you have already found perfect sound.

Champion Audiophile
As a matter of fact, yes, my system is custom tuned to my ears through thought out choice of components, cables, acoustic treatments, speaker placement, speaker choice... I, like anyone else here tunes their systems through component selection, cable selection, speaker selection, acoustic panels... if we don’t like a certain element of the sound we are getting we research what needs to be done to change it into something that is musical satisfying to our ears.  Not too hard for the rest of us to understand

Exactly. Audiophiles do want to tune their systems to their liking. However, the problem is theyre not doing it correctly. 

Cables are often used to supposedly adjust the sound but they make not even 0.5db difference across the entire spectrum. An Equalizer could be used however and that would enable you to adjust several db across the spectrum which IS easily audible. 

A crossover cannot be retuned with cables. A crossover can only be retuned by changing the crossover. And that is one reason audiophiles cannot be satisfied. They dont like the way the crossover sounds and they are not clever enough to redo it. 

Is the bose wave radio you have custom tuned to you ears?  Are your cheap earbuds custom tuned to your ears?

No they are not however they may be tuned closer to my liking than other speakers even much more expensive ones. Furthermore most high end speakers are deliberately tuned RULER FLAT by a bunch of ignorant designers, which is wrong by anybodys standards.

the confidence 20 is a horribly expensive wooden box with drivers in 'em. I see nothing that justifies such a high price. Theres a limit to what you can do with a wooden box. Either the quality needs to be vastly improved or the price needs to come down. 

The kef ref 1. Less expensive but still very expensive. 

Again, it comes down to the question of why one speaker is better than another. 

I just posted a thread on that exact topic but nobody here knows the answer. 

The reference 1 are NOT custom tuned to my ears and for that reason alone I would not buy them. 
why does the confidence 20 cost more than ten times the cost of other stand mount speakers you can buy. explain that to me.