Dynaudio c1 signature


Hi...im interested witch music instruments does this speaker performs most natural..correct...lifelike...tnx
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Raindog,
I hope for seven grand ,all instruments, and voices sound great. Really, this speaker has a huge following of devoted users. There are many professional and customer reviews online.
I agree, at this level of performance the Dynaudios are not a one trick pony. The C1s will do justice to whatever you throw at them.(fast, transparent, neutral with very good top and bottom end.) Dynaudio is one of many premier and highly regarded speaker manufacturers. They due require an excellent amp capable of outputting clean high-current into a 4 ohm load,(250-500watts). Hopefully, you knew that when you started looking at a $7K speaker. REALLY?
The Signatures do everything very well. After upgrading from the original C1's to the Signatures I found they sound a little clearer from top to bottom. They also play better at lower volumes. I don't think they play as loud as the originals though which for me is fine.

I currently drive my C1 Signatures with an Octave V70SE. Naim XS also pairs up very well with the C1's. The key is good clean current as Tom mentioned. As for pricing the original C1's retailed for 7K with the C1 MKII at 7.5K and Signatures for 8.5K. If considering any of the C1's make sure to get the Stand4 also.
tnx everyone for some guidance...tom i read alot of c1mk1 and aware that they need quality amplifier to give their best...but heard that speaker is not the best solution for rock music (stated form some much experiencer folks out here)
im lisening all kind of music prefering acustical instruments mostly...but sometimes i like to put some heavyer music...so if dyns play rock without any trouble i would be more interested...just to say im not a bass freak...im more music freak heh...and would be dissapointed when here and ther want to push louder or something and hear thin sound or something...and xti16 i must say you have exelent amp...i heard that on some hi fi show was played dyns and octave combo and that played great...but here in croatia we have no octave dealer so i cant experiment with that...im thining on some 300 350 healthy watts in 4 ohm maybe some simaudio ss integrated...when the time comes...dont have money for separates...what music do you listen on dyns and octave at most times...and how much DB loudnes you get with your combo before clipping...
Raindog031 - I've never measured the db from either speaker (C1 MKII or orig C1's). I don't play loud very often. I would say the loudest would be (if we were standing next to each other) we would have to talk pretty loud to each other.

As far as music I like Jazz - soft and classical rock - new age and some hard rock.

If there was any one instrument I would say that sounds scary real it would be an acoustical guitar. Rock sounds great with them but on the other hand if you like a more forward presentation with rock music consider the Special 25 or possibly the Contour S1.4's. That being said as you know the Confidence line was just improved with the MKII/Signatures and the Focus line was just redone also. Dyn just announced the Xeo and I would think the Contour line may have an update coming soon.

As far as the SimAudio be aware it has great control - fantastic tonal qualities - but also very analytical and somewhat sterile sounding to me. Too much detail that makes me want to listen to the equipment and not the music. You may see/hear different. But that's my opinion of Sim.

What are you currently using for an amp? I had a Naim XS w/the external power supply and it was an excellent combination with great synergy. With either the Naim or the Octave I can make the speakers bottom out before either integrated gives out. I personally got the Octave knowing I can swap tubes and change the sound which is less expensive than new electronics. But if I could afford it I would have Burmester.

By the way my C1 Signatures are Mocha AND I was lucky enough to get a pair of the discontinued black/chrome Stand4's. Great looking combination.
speaker performs most natural..correct...lifelike
accordion:)

and would be dissapointed when here and ther want to push louder or something and hear thin sound or something.

I don't thing this case ever would happen with dynaudio,the sound is robust and they sound best at louder volume(at least with older version c1)
Xti16 you say acoustical guitar heh...nice nice...i listen alot of stefanovski and tadić acoustical...witch i reccomend to you...live in belgrade...exelent stuff...i think it would be sounding great on your equipmennt...i will not bother you with my amps or speakers becuz they are crappy...far from high fidelty...but i enjoy them 7 years from now...and want to upgrade on speakers i can hold for manny years...i dont have money to experiment and change dozen amps and speakers niether i can listen to all combinations here in croatia so i want take proper speakers and integrated for most kind of music...too bad we are not market...Extravaganza...dont joke on accordion...i listen Tom Waits alot :) thanx for the kind words everyone
I agree get to the speakers you want first and worry about the amp and cables later. I bought my amp (Bryston B100sst) before the C1's which worked but only sounded OK.
yes...i was considering to buy speakers brand new and search for the right amp..amp could be second hand but i want new speakers...i read that dynaudio reccomends ocos cables...and i think that the new confidence are internal wired with ocos...so i will first start with that...heard that bryston got good synergy with dyns but i will try to aim something little better cuz i dont want to change gear much...i want keeper...2 bad i heard that Karan acoustic i180mk2 has bad synergy with dyns...i can get it in half price...quality gear...and puristic design...just what i like...but im hooked up more on dyns than Karan if you get my point...
If I'm not mistaken only the Consequence UE uses Ocos for internal wiring (maybe the Evidence too). The C1 MKII uses an upgraded version of Van den hul that the original C1's had.

If your looking at Bryston consider the 4bsst and nothing less. I had the B100sst and my sons 3bsst and although good neither had the control the Naim or Octave has. Anyhow take your time because someday you will hear the right one.
xti witch turntable are you using ( you diddnt told me you have it but i have strong feeling you might been using one on such fine combination) and im interested previous you said that new dyns are little less louder than old model...where you figured that...on your previous ss amp or at the dealer...
I have the original C1. Amazing speakers. I was driving them with Plinius amp, now with Mastersound 845 (30W, class A, tube amp).
Octave is decent amp but Mastersound .... this is what they need. It's true that original C1 sounds best at higher volume level or "normal" level which I get with potentiometer at 9 o'clock. This amp has amazing headroom. Walls start dancing when potentiometer at 11 o'clock (room 30m2+(open).
Rock music sounds great. Actually I rediscovered rock with C1 and Mastersound (didn't sound so great with Plini). Excellent soundstage, layering.. everything. Of course I had to play a bit with tubes to achieve it. And Ayon CD player helps either.
No pottery wheel (TT) for me.

As for the loudness I noticed that after 700 hrs - a friend asked loud they go and when I turned the volume up to what I was used to with the originals the speakers bottomed out. I had the Octave. I bought my dealers Signatures when they arrived in the USA. Since I had his speakers my dealer had a customer that wanted to hear the new MKII so he had to come to my house. That's when I had the Naim XS to match the customers system (that my dealer brought over). That being said I was using the high transconductance EAT KT88's. Since then one of the EAT's won't hold a consistent bias. For me the EAT's don't seem to be too reliable. Out of a quad and a pair I only have 3 good ones. Best sounding tube when they work. I haven't tried with my Tung Sol 6550 black or grey plates. I may give it a try again after I get home tonight.
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Actually I rediscovered rock with C1 and Mastersound (didn't sound so great with Plinius).

The Plinius is inherently a warm and smooth sounding amp that has good punch and dynamics. A good match to forward and bright sounding speakers. When music gets busy especially with rock or dynamic music(where lots of transients and dynamic swings are present), the Plinius can't keep up and can sound a tad slow. The Dynaudios are quite neutral and a bit on the warmer side of things, and that may explain why rock didn't sound too good when they are driven by the Plinius. For other types of music ie. vocals and small ensemble jazz etc. there shouldn't be any issue.

I've used a Plinius SA-100MkIII on some Harbeth speakers and similarly find the sound to be lethargic, lacking in sparkle and dynamics especially in rock and dynamic music. In my book the Plinius/Harbeth combination is a bad one(the Harbeth is much warmer sounding than the Dynaudio Confidence C1). The pace and timing seem to be way off. Fortunately I discovered Naim and the Plinius is history.
interesting...witch ss integrated would you reccomend Ryder for c1...do you have a favorite...im for mostly neutral sound..maybe a bit warmish side...i dont like too colored sound...for all types of music...Jkuc im interested in the tube sound and i will get them one day...i think c1 with tubes sounds exelent...but i like to push up sometimes and i dont know much bout tubes so i will try to stick to A/B ss integrated with dyns for the beggining...
Sorry Raindog031, I do not have direct experience with the C1 although I have listened to it in a system several years ago. Perhaps existing C1 owners could advise, and I presume some may have tried several amps with the speakers before deciding on the ideal one. I think several comments on the Dynaudios earlier have been spot on. They do need quite a bit of power to come alive with their relatively low 4 ohms impedance. Quality watts from high current amplifiers or powerful tube amps would be ideal.
"powerful tube amps" that would be ideal but $$$$$...Xti16 im interested in DDC dynaudio directivity control...have you noticed some big difference between old and new model...its been said that this tehnology reduce the energy dispersed to the floor and ceiling by 75%...and how this affect on a sweet spot...
The DDC is only on speakers with multiple tweeters (C2 C4 and Evidence). Anyhow it is supposed to drastically cut down on the reflection from the ceiling. It's also supposed to sound much better. That being said I was lucky enough to have an 8 day in-home demo with the original C2's and they were too much for my room so I can't really can't comment on that.
c1 sigs are smaler so maybe they dont need ddc...and your room size where the sigs are based is...when i move i will have 4.60x5.80m room...its small to mid space where i mean to keep speakers so your opinion bout dyns would be useful to me...
The DDC again is for multiple tweeters. My room is 3.66m X 7.93m with the speakers about the middle of the long wall with a vaulted ceiling
OK I've been pushing the Octave with the Tung Sol 6550 solid grey plates and they do go louder than with the EAT KT88's without bottoming out. I believe it's due to the fact the EAT's are a very high transconductance tube. Meaning the EAT's have more control and dynamics. They get pretty d@mn loud - at least for me :-) especially with the TS
Xti...tell me...before your old dyns...witch speakers wou have owned...and witch manufacturers besides dynaudio you regard as good money/value option...and how much your dyns are far from back wall...how that affects on bass...do you use sub on your combo...(im starting asking questions like gestapo:)
My previous speakers were Mission/Cyrus 782's. I bought them in 1990 when they first came to the USA. Loved them and still have them but the Dyn's are a world better. Another speaker I seriously considered was the Sonus Faber Creamora auditor M's (a hair more laid back sounding). To compare I took my 782's to the dealers. Then I found Dynaudio. Took me less than 10 seconds to decide those were my next speakers. That was the first time the minute I heard something I had to have it. My Octave Integrated was the other only after an in-home demo.

I have a Rel B3 which I had before I even before heard of Dynaudio, and I still use it. Do I need it? Not really. I have disconnected on several occasions and forgot it was off until I would play something with the lowest of octaves. I only have a few cd's with real low bass. That being said I will also say the sub adds to the soundstage by making it sound a little fuller.

As far as placement the rear of the speaker is 2 ft from the back wall and 41 inches from the front of the speaker. The main reason is I still have an old Tube TV and I don't want to magnetize it. Also I have about a 5 degree toe-in (virtually straight).

I swapped out the 6550's last night with some Ei KT90's and because they don't have the bass like my other 6550's and KT88's I got them unbelievable loud. With those tubes I do need a sub.

In case you are not aware the only difference between the MKII and signature is the finish and a 10 yr warranty.
...im aware of that...read all kinds of reviews of c1 but i wanted to hear from first hand about sound characteristics of the new model...you keep them little close to the wall but i supose you have the correct sound as i see you are happy overall...and how can you compare cremona m with c1...im also considering sonus fabers...they indeed have seductive sound...but i think they are little colored...im suspicious how sonus manages to play all kinds of music correct...but for the acoustical are maybe best what i heard...and i heard that new SF are less colored than old models but they lost old sound a bit...well new men new sound...
Like I said the SF Auditor M's were my second choice. I would be owning them now if I never heard the C1's. Just a hair more laid back especially in the mids. I also think the highs are much better with the C1's. Two pluses for me and I thought the bass was about the same. In my opinion they (SF) would be great classical/orchestral only speakers. But I listen to all types of music. I'm not a fan of speakers that are real forward. I've never compared the Signatures to the SF auditor 'M's' but I would have to say I would like the Dyn MKII/Signature more because I liked the original C1's over the SF (real close though) and like the Sig's that much better.
Forgot to mention If you like real laid back try listening to Vienna Acoustic concert grand series. In my opinion another one for classical/ orchestral music only. Now I've never heard Totem's - Silverline and Harbeth speakers which are supposed to be somewhat similar to Dyns from what I've read.
tnx for guidance...i heard bout viennas...but i like more neutral speakers...im not limited on one kind of music...sometimes i like more foward sometimes laid back...not allways laidback...but ill stick with dyns i think i will be overall pleased...if i get your story they are right in the middle...with little luck my dealer will have mk2 in a few months so i will audition them and make my final decision...meanwhile i will try to audition some other gear...i will see if subwoofer will be needed...i will take dyn sub 600 if needed...think that would be best for synergy...cheers
You got it. The Dyn C1's are the best of all worlds of music. At least that's my opinion. As far as a sub the Dyn subs do not have a high level input. I, like most do not have a sub out. Yeah I can use the pre-out but would prefer high level.
dont joke on accordion...i listen Tom Waits alot
really:) I would add pipes,guitars,drums,various voices at normal to loud listening levels

speakers niether i can listen to all combinations here in croatia so i want take proper speakers and integrated for most kind of music...too bad we are not market
people in Germany like to combine dynaudio with Trigon electronics.Some dealers in eu do that.Quite good combination.Krell electronics adds drive and punch to dynaudio.You can always choose used amps at cheaper price
Trigon el. never heard...ill check...but exelent to know that dyns are so refined and most of the instruments sound lifelike...when i listened some old SF monitor before 8 yrs. i concluded that they play exelent acoustic string instruments...but encountered some problems on more heavyer and more dynamic music...so its blessing to have speakers that all music works well...Xti my dream is exelent full range florstander and separates without subwoofer but cannot afford so in my opinion in this chase it would be nice to have sub with dyns to cover below 45hz for more lifelike sounding and with good integrated that has sub out...thats far cheeper and overall preety decent equipment to all normal people...
.Xti my dream is exelent full range florstander and separates without subwoofer but cannot afford so in my opinion in this chase it would be nice to have sub with dyns to cover below 45hz for more lifelike sounding and with good integrated that has sub out...thats far cheeper and overall preety decent equipment to all normal people...
I think that's everyone's dream. But dreaming aside I will say my Rel B3 is crossed over at 32hz. It has a high level input so the cable is connected to the speaker posts on the Ovtave. So in my opinion the sub-out is not a requirement. Getting the sub setup right does require some work so you can't hear where it is. Most folks (myself included) set the sub too high to begin. The other thing is to get the timing/phasing right. Most subs come with a 0 or 180 degree phase switch. From there you may need to move the sub closer or farther to get it to blend properly. You don't want the output of the sub leading or lagging the sound from the speaker. I've had some people come over who could really care less about audio saying WOW do those little speakers sure can hit some really low notes. Again the C1's do very well without a sub and there is very little below 40hz on most recordings. But when it is there WOW
i agree...becuz of tricky sub setup i first wanted just floorstanders...then i dont have to think...i was aiming at new focus 380...seems to me that is quite good speaker...but its 300w and it would be ideal but i need monster of integrated amp for that speakers...not in range...so c1 mk2 with proper sub and little less (lets say double less) demanding integrated...hell...i think that could be cheaper and better sounding combo...just to blend the sub properly as you say...
Depending on room size and placement floorstanders can sound great but the can also overpower a room like mine. In my room the C1's with sub sound better than the C2's. Better imaging - sound stage where the C2's were a 'wall' of sound coming at me. Granted you won't get the super high listening volume as you would with a floorstander
Raindog031, since you have mentioned several times that funds are limited, my recommendation would be to buy the C1 Mk1 model. C1 mk1 is a marvelous speaker. Also, IMO the mk2 version does not improves significantly upon the mk1 model (if at all). Certainly not to justify the large price difference between the two models, i.e. almost a factor of two. Check regularly www.audio-markt.de and I am sure you will find a demo model with warranty for a bit more than half the prices of the mk2s.

As for amps, I recommend you either Accuphase (e.g. E-408/450/350/550, etc.) or Musical Fidelity (e.g. KW500/550).

Regarding subwoofers, I too recommend a REL.

Good luck and keep us posted!
Paul
tnx paul on a kind words...i was thinking bout that...and i would buy second hand c1 coldblooded if the price is good...regarding my limited budget...it was mostly related on separates...that means i can buy a decent integrated...maybe i could buy separates...but i dont want wait for 2 3 years more to complete the system...so option is that before end of this year...and if i get c1 at cheeper price maybe even sooner...i must plan good...tnx everyone on tips and good will...
C1 mk1 is a marvelous speaker. Also, IMO the mk2 version does not improves significantly upon the mk1 model (if at all). Certainly not to justify the large price difference between the two models, i.e. almost a factor of two.
Paul there is a difference. I upgraded from the original C1 (7000 USD) to the C1 Signatures (8500 USD) not the MKII (7500 USD). Granted with the Signatures you pay for the finish and 10 yr warranty. That being said the MKII/Signature is less nasally sounding than the originals. I NEVER thought the originals sounded nasally until I heard the 2 side by side. Also the MKII sounds better at lower volumes. More efficient?? I'm sure a lot has to do with the upstream components (source cables amp etc) too. If there is a downside (excluding cost) it may be the MKII/Signature might not play as loud. That observation is from memory. When I had the 2 side by side I did not push them at all. It wasn't until several weeks later I finally pushed the Signatures (I don't have a db meter to prove it) but again from memory. So for me since 99.8% of my listening is lower levels the Signatures work out much better for me. Don't get me wrong the original C1's are world class speakers.

For whatever it is worth my system is
Meridian G08
Nordost Frey ic and sc
Octave V70SE tube integrated
Xti16, I did not say that there is not difference between the mk1 and mk2 models. I was just being practical. Since Raindog031 mentioned that his budget is limited and that he does not want to wait 3 years to buy a decent amp for the mk2s, I have suggested him to get the mk1s which (at least in the Netherlands) are sold at approximately half the price. The difference between the two models is enough to buy a good amp. mk1 + good amp >>> mk2 with a cheep amp (or no amp for that matter).

IMO it is safer to go that root. Firstly, his room is quite large so there is a chance the C1 might get lost in it. One can never predict the bass behavior of a future room. Secondly, he might not be happy with them. While the C1 have a very seductive midrange they are not very transparent (this is still the case also with the mk2 models). No only heavier music might not benefit from that midrange magic but it is likely it will sound too polite.

Raindog031, if you did not check it out already, you might want to have a look at the review I wrote about the C1 mk1 speakers. Some of the contributors in this thread have also posted their comments there. You might find them useful.

Finally, like Xti16, I would advise you to not discharge less powerful amps. My class A Accuphase (60 watts in 4 ohms) had no problems to drive the mk1s and mk2s and put to shame a 200 watts Mcintosh amp when driving the C2 mk2 speakers.
paul i have readed your review some time ago...good review...im interested you said that my room could be big for c1....im not so shure...4.6x5.8m so when i put speakers bout 3 feet behind wall i assume it will be good my listening position will be 3m away...it could be problems with bass but im not pesimist...i think that this room could be ideal for c1...smaller room could make problems with bass...atleast thats my experience...i will try my b&w monitors first there so i will see how room reacts and how they fill the room...they are 50w weaker then dyns...and paul you may not noticed that but xti diddnt discharge less powerful amps...he also has octave integrated and driving dyns with no problem...i think 70w class a...what you probbably wanted to say is to buy quality power...regardles of amp watts...cheers
Also, IMO the mk2 version does not improves significantly upon the mk1 model '(if at all)'. Certainly not to justify the large price difference between the two models, i.e. almost a factor of two
You are comparing new to pre-owned/discontinued prices. I was commenting based on the differences in sound. Otherwise for the money the original is a great value. The C1 speaker is not for everyone. As far as heavy metal I would recommend something like S25's instead (Sapphires or Consequence UE if price were no object). But for classical rock Jazz New age rock etc I think the C1's do a great job. I rarely play my music loud and that is one of the advantages of the MKII over the MKI besides being a 'little' less nasally sounding. Both speakers are world class.
While the C1 have a very seductive midrange they are not very transparent (this is still the case also with the mk2 models).
I strongly disagree with that statement. In my opinion they are the most transparent speaker I've ever heard. They just disappear.

In my opinion someone looking to set up a system should find the speakers they prefer the most first. I bought the Bryston before my speakers and although I was quite happy there was always something missing (control). I came real close to getting the Naim Supernait but then I considered tubes and then after an in home demo with the Octave I pounced on it.
paul im sorry for mistake but i misread what you said to me bout discharging less powerful amps and the xtis advice heh...sorry once again...

Hi guys, sorry for the late reply.

Raindog031, a room like yours, i.e. of almost 27 square meters, will be adequately pressurized by speakers that are much larger than the C1s, e.g. Wilson Sophia, B&W 802D, Avantgarde Uno and DUO (u get the idea). All these speakers produce much more bass than the C1, so if you are unlike and your room is bass-hungry the C1s might get lost in it. Like you, I do not think that the C1s will totally get lost into your room. Probably even in the worths case a subwoofer, placed in the right place, will be able to solve this problem. (I have mentioned this just as a fictional scenario why you might not like the C1 and would want to re-sell them.)

Xti16, just because you did not heard other speaker that were more transparent than the C1 mk2 it does not mean that there aren't any. For example, all Focal Utopia monitor models (the Diablos probably have twice as much detail than the C1 mk2), B&W 805S/D, Wilson Duettes (and the list can go on and on..). I am not saying that when listening the previously mentioned speakers you hear details that you can not hear via the C1 mk1 or mk2 speakers, just that via the C1s those little things are lest obvious - one needs to pay much more attention to the music in order to become fully aware of those details. I have listen all models (mk1 and mk2) in the Confidence line often quite at lengths and they all have this characteristic. The strengths of all these Dyns is in the very natural and seductive midrange and powerful bass. Also, I would say that you are a bit biased here as it seems to me that you went directly from the C1 mk1 to the mk2 without much search (I apologize in advance if I am wrong.)

Regarding prices, I do not see the point you try to make - prices and or price differences are relevant in the present discussion. In the Netherlands quite a few dealers have both C1 models in stock and they will give a very generous discount for the mk1 plus full warranty but no discount for the mk2 models. (e.g. I have paid 4k euros for the C1 mk1 models I had in my room including the Dynaudio stand 4 stands and the speakers were basically new, i.e. no scratches and had full warranty. On the other hand a pair of C mk2s with stands cost 7K euros. A pre-own pair of C1 should cost here around 3k.)

Best wishes,
Paul
Xti16, just because you did not heard other speaker that were more transparent than the C1 mk2 it does not mean that there aren't any. For example, all Focal Utopia monitor models (the Diablos probably have twice as much detail than the C1 mk2), B&W 805S/D, Wilson Duettes (and the list can go on and on..). I am not saying that when listening the previously mentioned speakers you hear details that you can not hear via the C1 mk1 or mk2 speakers, just that via the C1s those little things are lest obvious - one needs to pay much more attention to the music in order to become fully aware of those details. I have listen all models (mk1 and mk2) in the Confidence line often quite at lengths and they all have this characteristic. The strengths of all these Dyns is in the very natural and seductive midrange and powerful bass. Also, I would say that you are a bit biased here as it seems to me that you went directly from the C1 mk1 to the mk2 without much search (I apologize in advance if I am wrong.)
Guilty as charged. I'll admit I heard the B&W 805s and SF Creamora Auditor M ONLY before deciding on the C1 MK I. For me it was one of those things once I heard the C1 MK I I knew my speaker search was over. I have to have the right mid range and top end sparkle which the Dyn's do great. I'll also admit I bought the Signatures before hearing them (gasp). Glad I did and would do again now knowing how they sound.

Remember this thread started by asking a question regarding the sound of the C1 Signature. As far as price I agree the MK I is a fantastic bargain. Everyone has their own taste. For me I love the C1 and the Special 25's - well I didn't care for (not as natural sounding kind of like the B&W's but very different). Also for my taste I prefer musical and not overly detailed. There are others who want every last bit of detail and to ME I find myself listening, no analyzing everything but the music (equipment - vocals - instruments and not hearing the music as a whole).
i also dont like overly detailed speakers...after a half hour they tire me...just want relax by the music and not think bout anything...regarding the price...i called my dealer and i can get c1mk2 and stand new for about 5500eu (i get good discount if i pay expensiver gear with cash) so as alternative i would take used c1 mk1 if its in range of 3500eu max nothing more(if it has no guarantee)...i think thats somewhat logic thinking...
Xti16, I was afraid my response will upset you. I am glad it did not as that was not my intention. We both like very much the C1s speakers, plus we are among the very few here who recommend quality watts over quantity for them.

Raindog031, sorry for the typos. English is not my first language. I hope it is/was not that hard to understand what I meant to write ("if you are unlike" should be "if you are unlucky", and "worths case" should be "worse case").

Regarding the original question, IMO if one succeeds to sort out the bass (to not draw attention to itself) there are very few speakers (if any) that sound more natural that the C1s. Except of the distortion effects of guitars which might sound a bit soft (but this depends also on the amp used) most instruments will be rendered very very naturally.
no problem paul...niether is my first language...you write pretty correct for me to understand...it was my reading mistake...you all are describing your perception of speakers for every question asked werry well...i hope it will help some other folks who might be interested in dyns...
Paul You are right where I haven't heard that many speakers. It was a short speaker shopping trip for me once I heard the Dyns. In fact the dealer that had the SF picked up the Dynaudio line AFTER I got my originals. When I got the Signatures I found out he also just picked up the Focal line. He is about an hour away but since I am very happy with my Dyns I have no intention of even demoing them (unless I'm in the area).

Raindog Once again both the MKI and MKII are fantastic. The difference is when you turn up the MKI's they get much better where the MKII's sound better at lower volumes but keep sounding that good as you turn them up. So if you have a dealer that has both I highly recommend going and seriously listen to both side by side at all volumes. Let YOUR ears decide.
Raindog031, 5.5K for a pair of C1 mk2s with stands is a very good price. One detail you might want to check about the mk2 version is whether or not the speakers and the stands have the same logo. Dynaudio has changed its logo and if I am not mistaken only the signature models have matching stands.
Paul The logo on the stands is still the same old logo. The logo on the mkII and Signatures is the new one. That's what the North American Dyn rep has told me.
OK Xti16, so I have remembered correctly. Given the price of the speakers I find this very strange. I would definitively be unhappy with such a situation and most likely postpone the purchase of the stands till Dynaudio updates them (or try to get the dealer to replace the old stands with the new ones when Dynaudio updates them).
The best scenario is that all the Stand 4's now come with no logo on them so there is no conflict with the speaker logo. No need to delay a purchase.:)