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I owned both Dynaco A-25 and large Advent at one time in the distant past, but heard the JBL L-100 many times in friends' systems. I know I liked them all and would have been happy with any one of them at that time. As faded as my memory is I believe I might have liked the JBL the best...??? Best, Rob
Had the DYNACOS , then the ADVENTS, then EPIs, and then JBL-100s back in my young days at university.
JBLs reign supreme .... Not even close.
BUT .., couple qualifiers:
(1) these were a "California" sound speaker ( Google the term ...) with heavily spiked frequency curve In the treble and bass to accentuate a tailored pop and rock music presentation of the era.
(2) none of the OPs suggestions will match up to current era standmounts with their improved design build, and crossovers ... Full stop..Remember that all of these geezer-rock era speakers have ultra-cheap basic spring-loaded speaker binding posts limited to 18-gauge zip cord cheap and crappy speaker cable posts that need replacement, and likely need speaker surround re-foaming and maybe even new caps .
if you favour nostalgia and favour 70s hard rock played loud, the JBLs will be your boomy bass party speaker... No problem.
If you are looking for a non-coloured balanced musical presentation especially with all the other music genres, look elsewhere .
Thanks to all for the responses so far. The comments make good horse sense regarding the listed speakers of a bygone age. I have always been interested in whether some of these early classics of sound, if driven with newer and/or better electronics would provide the ultimate euphoric, or easy listening experience that you don't always find in today's.speakers Yes, greater accuracy without a doubt, but does the listener really feel the music is both engaging and listenable. I owned a pair of Large Advents in 2005 and drove them with an Aragon 4004 MKII; the rest of the system was CJ PV-8 and Sonographe Beta one CD player. There were moments when I said this is one greatest speakers I ever heard. The Advents flourished with 200 watts plus. The problem that during their golden years approx. 1969 to 1985, Advents were driven by 45-50 RMS Marantz, Pioneer, or Harmon Kardon receivers which were just adequate, but not if you wanted to play music loud whether rock or Beethoven.
The Advent tweeter that I mentioned in my :"side note" was a worthless compromise on Kloss's part regardless of the attenuation switch on the back. It looks like hardware store vintage, and sounded like crap..
Member....Akg-ca was on target when he noted the cheap caliber of the parts being used to hit a certain price point. All to often the frequency range of the media available.at the time, (LP's and tape) dictated the quality short cuts taken by Henry Kloss and Dave Hafler.
Another factor, I believe, was often the social setting of the buyers. Young Couples with new homes seemed to be the perfect target for the Large Advent speaker. It is not really a rock speaker and sounds good on jazz folk, most light classical, and easy listening music.
However, old and inadequate these "geezers" might be and sound by today's audiophile standards of musical satisfaction, there seems to be a ton of Advent, Dynaco, AR and KLH, etc speakers being refoamed and retooled out on the market. It might be just nostalgia driven, or just a desire by many listeners to just lay back and listen to the music.
Wow! Back in the day I had all three of those speakers, driven by a McIntosh MC225, then a McIntosh MC275 and finally a Marantz 2275 receiver.
If you listen to a lot of rock & roll the JBL's would be my first choice.
If you listen to all sorts of music (i.e. classical & jazz, vocals, etc.), I'd say the Large Advents would be my first choice.
To erj, that was a nice amp you had in McIntosh, and also Marantz receiver. However, I am NOT sure I totally agree with you about the Advents. A pleasant sounding speaker with an excellent midrange and clean bass, however, classical and jazz ( not elevator jazz) were limited in texture and range by that god awful tweeter the large Advent used. At least, the Dynaco A-25 incorporated Seas drivers which were the best in the world at the time and in my opinion, still are. What was your overall opinion of the Dynaco's?? Thanks for the reply
I worked at an audio store in Anaheim, CA in 1975-6 when the original Advent, JBL L100 and Bose 901 were dominating the market. I heard them (and Dahlquist, Ohm, and ESS) all day long.
I never heard the Dynaco speakers but I had a pair of hand-built floorstanders with dual Danish-built Peerless textile dome tweeters for 12 years.
L100s are physically well built (except for the ubiquitous rotting foam surrounds almost everybody had back then), but the horizontal bookshelf design, adapted from the vertically oriented 4311 studio monitor, was optimized for controlled, almost nearfield listening and had no consideration for (or maybe awareness of) in-room power response. By today's standards, the L100's crossover points are ridiculous--1500 Hz between a 12" woofer and 5" midrange, and 6000Hz between 5" midrange and the 1" tweeter. A 12" woofer starts beaming at 1125 Hz and a 5" midrange starts beaming at 2700 Hz. This means there are significant off-axis suckouts at 1100-1500 Hz and more than a full octave beaming between 2700 and 6000 Hz. If you move off-axis these suckouts give you that "cupped hands" sound. The advantage is that it translates into high power handling capacity.
The Advent, OTOH was designed specifically for linear in-room power response, and Kloss & co. paid special attention to driver size vs. crossover point. The Advent woofer, while mounted in a 12" frame to maximize cone excursion, had a 6.5" cone crossing over to the tweeter at a very low (for a tweeter) 1KHz. A 6.5" diaphragm doesn't completely beam until 2250 Hz. Therefore, the single 1KHz crossover point was not beaming in the slightest. That very low crossover almost certainly accounts for the frequently blown tweeters that came back to us from customers. Advents sounded good on a wide variety of music. Good on rock if you had the amp power, and great on classical, jazz, and pretty much everything else.
The Advent also had *real* bass--audible down into the mid 30Hz region. The L100 started rolling off around 100 Hz and was pretty much MIA by 50 Hz. It seemed to have strong bass because it was a 12" diaphram making big waves at the frequencies it *could* reproduce.
The L100 had a punchier, immediately engaging sound. It was way more sensitive. It could kick ass with a 40 wpc receiver and do pretty good on 20 wpc in a dorm room. The Advent really needed 100-150 to come alive, but we were just starting to learn about that back then, thanks to Bob Carver.
However, let's consider something: In the mid-'70s the L100s were $560/pair ($2500 in today's money). The Advents were about $200/pair. You could have bought a TRIPLE stack of Advents for $40 more than a single pair of L100s. In that showdown, and given that double Advents were already legendary by then, triple Advents would easily have beat the JBLs, with triple woofers making audible bass down to 32 Hz and three tweeters sharing the upper mid/treble load. The also had a 3-way switch on the back to boost the tweeters a bit.