Duelund conversion to DIY Helix Geometry Cabling


I have been an avid user of the Duelund cabling for over two years now and have used them exclusively in my system with great results. I have built many for friends and have used a full loom of interconnects, speaker cables, power cords and an extensive wiring modification for a previously owned balanced power conditioner utilizing Duelund 600V PolyCast wiring which was transformative. My cabling desires can be a little addictive as I have owned and evaluated 40+ brands of cabling costing more than an entire stereo system!

Over the past six months I stumbled upon a thread here on Audiogon in regards to a Helix designed cabling and as you probably already know, I just had to look a little deeper into this cable design…After a month of studying and sourcing parts, I decided to reach out to the designer/architect, Williewonka who gave more insights and philosophy on how the cable came into existence.

That conversation got the ball rolling in converting one of my KLE Duelund interconnects to Steve’s Helix designed which only entailed replacing the neutral with a Mil-Spec 16 AWG silver-plated copper wire with the neural wire being 3 times longer than the signal wire and of course the “Coiling” of the neutral wire : )

After the modification was complete, I was not sure what to expect from the Helix cabling but I was quite shocked with the results with “ZERO” burn-in time…The sound stage became much wider/deeper with a much tighter/focused image and clarity/transparency is like nothing I have ever heard in any cabling regardless of cost. In fact, I just sold a full loom of a commercially designed Helix Cable that’s renowned around the world and has more direct sale than any cable manufacturer; these $200 DIY Helix Cables walked all over them…

I believe you will hear the same results as I have and have heard back from friends who have already modified their Duelunds with the same results; WOW! Remember the cables will need 200+ hours to burn-in and settle into your system. My system is now 90% DIY Helix to include IC, SC, PC and Coax with each cabling adding its beauty of an organic and natural presentation that draws you into the fabric of the music.

You can tailor the sound of your cables using Duelund, Mundorf silver/1% gold, the outstanding Vh Audio OCC Solid Copper or Silver with Airlok Insulation or your favorite wiring and you can change it at any time…

 

http://www.image99.net/blog/files/category-diy-cables.html

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/difference-in-sound-between-copper-and-silver-digital-cables

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/adding-shielding-to-existing-cables

 

Enjoy,

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@sasho - please use this wire calculator in furure to calculate wire diameter

Wire Gause Calculator

As yu can see the diameter of the 14 gague wire wil be 1.6277 mm

so the inside diameter of the tube should bs around 25% larger, which is 2.034mm

You will not get an exact match, so opt for the one closest to the calulated amount

Regards - Steve

Steve,

Please recommend optimum Inner diameter for PTFE tube to use with 14 AWG Neotech OCC solid core wire / with PVC Insulation which will be stripped out /

That will be used for producing Hellix speaker cable using 2 x 14 AWG Neotech Positive and 1 x 10 AWG Mil spec sivler plated copper wire

@norco74 and @pindac - gentlemen, thank you for your posts above. They contain excellent information, in that they provide alternate thoughts/products/feedback for other readers to ponder and try out.

As I have said many time throughout this thread, if you have a favourite wire or connector, then try it. The forumala posted on my web site is just a starting place.

But for me it is also the final state of my nation. The expense (time and money) has been significant and I like the sound I now have, so for the time being I’m sitting back to enjoy the music.

I would encourage people to try different wies and connectors, because they all make a difference. You may find a combination that may or may not suit your ears, so be aware that it can be time consuming and costly in order to select te combination your ears find most satisfying.

The really nice thing is - the Helix Geometry makes those differences very noticeable, which makes everything a little easier.

Regards - Steve

I have built the Helix cables for a few years now and have tried the many combinations suggested as they were made available on Steve’s site. I have recently switchover a Neotech 2 x AWG18 UPOCC power cable for a 14 AWG Duelund PVC on my Bryston 3.14 DAC streamer. I am quite surprised by the results. The Duelund seems to handle the sound texture way better than the Neotech version. Less harsh on the high frequencies, better instruments separation and a small increase in the spatial details department. My guess is that the cable type have more noticeable effects on low level source components than preamp and amp. Experimenting is the only way of finding what suits your ears.best.

@williewonka you asked "Any Thoughts? Steve"

I know that there is a spirit of investigation on this thread and there will be discoveries made as a incremental way forward and quite possibly backwoods.

I introduced a individual to PC Triple C, they have not looked back, they also know my interest in Helix Design and FINEMET as an alternative to Ferrite.

With all the good things already happened they bought into SAEC SL 5000 Cables, which I feel ticks boxes in relation to my own interests shared. .

The Supplied RCA Connectors were compared to KLE RCA's and KLE were the chosen type.

The investigative mind did not rest and other RCA's were considered of which WBT Low Eddy was a selection.  

This RCA was the new chosen design and the idea to couple it to a purpose produced same design interface Connector took on a must try out on a list.

This is where I was introduced to the evolving use of SL 5000 CCC > OEM RCA  and SL 5000 CCC > WBT's. ( I missed the period of KLE's being in use)

I trust the system owners judgement and I know the system very well.

The WBT's used as a the Cable Termination and on Chassis has changed my whole thought process about what can be achieved and what really can be achieved, the impression left is very good.

Maybe it is just one of those leaps one has to take, there is also the analogy where if nothing is ventured nothing is gained.   

@williewonka, great thanks. I will be visiting my home country South Africa for a few weeks and will take the speaker cables, a PC and a pair of IC's with. I will also be visiting my mates at 'the old farts club' a bunch of good guys who are not cable deniers and will be able to report on their impressions when I return. One of them owns Mark Levinson monos and Magico 5 speakers so it will be interesting and fun.

@lemonhaze - actually, that ratio is what is posted on my website.👍

If required you could reduce it to 2:1, because unlike interconnects, where the signal and any induced noise would be amplified, making that noise an issue, whereas any induced rfi/emi induced into the speaker cable would not be heard above the amplified signal from the Amp, so the number of turns is not as important.

So, interconnects a ratio of 3.1 is recommended

And for speaker cables 2.5:1 is recommended

Regards

@williewonka   Thank you very much,

Yes I was thinking of doubling only the signal wires.

When you say twisting in opposite directions, it means clockwise for the +ve and the anti-clockwise pour the -ve?

 

 

@williewonka, thanks. I have just enough TFA 14awg to make a 2.5 : 1 ratio helix. Would this be detrimental in any way?  Unfortunately I don't have the time to order more.

A year ago when I ordered from TFA the package took 5 weeks to arrive. It gets to Dublin in a few days then goes on a tour of the country. Things happen slowly in rural Ireland. Our street has no name but our cottage does, An Acra Beag, which is Gaelic for 'a small acre'  Stuff gets delayed.

 

@abolive, double signal wires for sure, but I found doubling the neutral on the single ended RCA cable only made a marginal improvement.

For me, the amount of improvement did not justify the additional effort, complexity and expence.

If you are intending to use a two wire signal conductor would make sure each signal wire is twisted in opposite directions and insert each conductor inside a cotton sleeve.

 

Is the budget allows use solid  occ silver

Regards, Steve

@williewonka thank you for your help.

Do you think doubling for xlr would be as interesting as it is with RCA?

@lemonhaze - the 16 gauge signal would be fine, but I would double up on the neutral. The Helix works best if the neutral is a heavier gauge than the signal conductor.

or buy some 14 gauge from TFA

regards

@williewonka, Hi Steve, a friend has asked me to make speaker cables for his system. The speakers are my design at 96dB sensitivity and driven by a Manley Stingray tube amp providing 40W ultralinear and 25W triode-connected which is how it is always used.

I have some Acoustic Revive cable which is twin 19awg. The red insulation they use is very easily removed by simply freeing one end and pulling, so no nasty nicks from a trim blade. Used as the live = 16awg with 16awg TFA wire for neutral. Would this, in your experience, be enough to adequately drive the speakers? If not I could add a 3rd wire the same as the other 2 bringing the copper cross section of the live wire to 1.96mm sq. closer to 14awg. This is more trouble and expense but will do if that’s what is needed.

While shopping for ptfe tube I came across some ePTFE which is aerated. I emailed them for the Dk which they claimed between 1.3 - 1.5. It may be useful.

 

@pindac - I took a look at the QED low eddy plug and it is very similar, in priciple, to the KLEI RCA...

  • The neutral contact design is very small
  • the signal contact design is tubular

So I believe a low mass style of RCA, like the KLEI RCA, would also benefit from a reduction in eddy anomolies.

The one benefit I found with the KLEI RCA is that an interconnect using them can be used as a digital link without having to worry about impedance matching.

  • I do not know whether this is due to the impedance of the KLEI RCA or
  • whether all low mass/eddy RCA’s can be used in this manner.
  • But with more conventional RCA, it is often mentioned that there are :reflections within the cables if the impedance is not matched

Also, I have used DIY Helix cables using the KLE RCA, in lengths from 18" to 6ft, as a digital link and they outperformed my Van Del Hul impedance matched cables specifically designed as a digital cable.

  • there was no difference in sound quality between the different length of DIY Helix cables
    • so the thoughts often shared on the web that Digital cables should be of a specific length does not seem to apply when using the KLEI RCA with the Helix DIY Geometry
  • Unfortunately, I have no experience with Low Eddy RCA’s, so I cannot provide input as to whether they would perform as well as KLEI RCA’s when used for this purpose.

Any Thoughts? Steve

@abolive - I have use the 'V' shape, but I generally tend to solder onto the flat spot.

  • for solid wire I place a small 90 degree turn at the end of the wire and insert that into the 'V'
    • I didn;t find it made any difference, from a sound persoective, but I suspect it is a weaker joint, as there is not as much solder in the joint
    • you can clip off any excess wire after soldering
  • For stranded wire you can create a small :"V: shape" in the end of the wire and insert one :'V'  at 90 degrees into the other
    • it makes a better joint for stranded wire

Hope that helps - Steve

 

 

Hello all

I need both RCA and XLR interconnects and have got 2 questions 😊

XLR : has someone tried the double version, do you think it would have the same impact as the RCA?

RCA: to solder KLEI plugs, how do you use the V shape? Do you solder on the flat spot or insert the tip of the wire into the V? If the former, I don’t understand why they went with this V shape, which must be more expensive to produce than a simple rectangular tag

Thank you!

@williewonka As stated there is much info to be found on the Web where Low Eddy is the description about RCA Phono Connector Types.

The Brand I have experienced and the same Brand that has restructured my way forward in relation to RCA connectors, is WBT Low Eddy, used on both Cable and Chassis.

There are a few models from WBT, I will make an inquiry to get the Ref No'.

If you would like to try a PC Triple C Wire Cable, send me a PM, I have a Stock of this for my Cables yet to be produced. 

@lewinskih01 - looks!

 

Perhaps similar plugs from companies like Furutech use real carbon fiber, bur the plugs I have used simply use a small carbon fiber looking band.

 

The benefit of these plugs is the housing has a more secure cable clamping system, and provides more room to work while making connections.

 

Regards, Steve 

@williewonka 

You mentioned carbon fiber mains connectors above. Are those carbon fiber bodies connected to the ground wire in those or is the carbon fiber absorbing RFI/EMI from just being there? If the latter, I guess I could try with carbon fiber "blanket" taped around the plastic connector and take a listen.

Or is this just for looks?

Thank you!

@lemonhaze - at no point have I experienced brightness or any other sound changes in my system with the Helix geometry/wires - I did experience more details and improved clarity and improved venue acoustics (i.e. hall reverberations) using silver plated connectors.

Perhaps the brightness that is frequently reported is due more to the actual cable geometry and insulations used rather than the actual connectors or wire/metals and plating.

Gold plating may impact the dyamics a little, but whether it would be noticeble depends on many other aspects of system confguration.

  • quality of components
  • other cables in use
  • room dynamics
  • speaker palcements
  • etc...

I would stick with the silver plated copper connectors then you know going forward you are getting the best possible performance

Also don't be concerned with reported tarnishing, simply reseating a connector will reestablish perfect contact if any tarnishing does occur, but my SonarQuest plugs are now 4 years old and show no signs of tarnish as yet.

Hope that helps - Steve

@grannyring, I was trying to search through some of your posts where I think you mentioned preferring VH Audio's silver wire with AirLok insulation as being a little 'more relaxed' than bare wire in tubes where I happened upon an old post of yours asking about supertweeters and I provide a link below that I consider essential reading.  If you could enlighten me regarding the VH Audio wire please.

This is off topic and titled the world beyond 20KHz. I met Max Townshend at an audio show in Veldhoven, Holland in 2019 where I had a long conversation and demo of his isolation pods, platforms and podiums and heard the supertweeters which brings much to everything including bass. This has created some fierce arguments that I now avoid. The tweets go out to about 90KHz and the common dismissal is "look if you can't hear you can't hear it" but it is heard as the harmonics necessary to complete the waveform.

paper pdf

If this does not open then google the bold part. From David E blackmere

 

 

 

 

@williewonka,

That's great, I have the Neotech neutral here and waiting on the silver.  I'll report my findings when complete. Would using a gold plated Sonarquest schuko plug instead of the silver plated dull dynamics and transients?

Only considering gold because I'm concerned that silver will be taking me the wrong side of neutral but from one of your posts on interconnects you mentioned that you found the silver to be 'rich' sounding. I value your opinion.

@lemonhaze There is a lot of info to be found on the Web about RCA's with a design that is not just Low Mass but Low Eddy as well.

The descriptions mainly relate to RCA's as I am believing XLR's are a inherently Low Eddy design, I might be incorrect on the XLR description.

For the record, my experience of this change of Connector, has been exclusive to a Tonearm > Phonostage > Power Amp, with SAEC SL 5000 Cable.

I was demo'd the WBT Low Eddy connectors in place against the standard supplied connectors on the Cable.

The System owner also the designer/builder of the Tonearm, had prior to my demo's given, used their long-time owned Copper KLE Harmony and come to the place where the Low Eddy type from WBT was to Supersede them in use.                This became very apparent when the Chassis RCA was also to become a Low Eddy connection.

I can say the system used is one I am very familiar with and is very revealing, due to it detail resolving capabilities. 

This system has on occasion introduced me to the perception of Envelope, not many systems are capable of creating this perception.

The use of Low Eddy connectors as suggested, reinforced in a discernible manner, that the perception of Envelope being manifested was seemingly tangible.

Unfortunately for the type that really does like to think their system dedicated to replaying recorded has substantial capabilities at resolving information embedded by the recording engineer, such a indelible impression made by the perception of Envelope become another plateau to be ascended to.   

For myself today, when considering my next steps, Low Eddy, is the top of the list when it comes to creating an interface between Umbilical Cable and Device.       

 

 

@lemonhaze, 2 x 18 gauge occ silver is great for source components. I would use 1x14 gauge solid OCC copper for the neutral.

The silver plated copper from TFA is not quite as good but very good if you are on a budget

The sonarqusest are my first choice for connectors because they tend to use heavier gauge copper and thinker plating.

 

Hope that helps

@pindac, could you provide more info or a link to your suggestion of:

Low Eddy design RCA's

Thanks

 

@williewonka, Hi Steve I have a pair of Sonarquest IEC connectors silver plated in a clear plastic/poycarbonate housing and thinking I might try their silver schuko plug unless you recommend a different plating. As I have mentioned my system is a little on the lean side of neutral so perhaps I should avoid rhodium.

The first PC build will be for source components using 2x18awg solid silver with either 1x14awg Neotech in ptfe solid occ copper or 1x14awg stranded from TFA.

Your thoughts please.

In relation to RCA connectors, I have been very familiar with the Low Mass models from the Brands commonly selected.

My being an advocate took on a profound shift in a alternate way of thinking when having experienced Low Eddy design RCA's as both Cable Termination and Chassis Mounted with PC Triple C Wire.

I have no doubts in my suggesting, strongly suggesting, these connector types used as experienced by myself, will enable any Cable in use, to offer its most optimised performance.  

I am not sure what’s going on but TFA and PCX have been out of some of our favorite sizes of MIL Spec Silver Coated and UPOCC wires. The offer and availabilty have been less and less for many months now. Is there a supp’y chain issue for these type of wires?

@lemonhaze -Apologies for the fragmented response.

I still like the following silver plated copper mains connector products - in order of preference...

  1. SonarQuest
  2. Viborg
  3. Vanguard - on Ebay

I also like the Carbon fiber look and they clamp better, but they tend to be expensive, so I found more affordable approach is to...

  1. buy the cheapest plug from one the three brands mentions
  2. then I also buy the cheapest Cabon fiber connector from the more obscure and affordable brands
  3. Swap the Carbon fiber shell to the more expensive brand plugs

Last time I tried this I saved $70 on a mains pair., but from what I have just seen, the price of the carbon fiber versions have come down a lot, so it might not be cheeper

I use the unused plug/housing for various extension cords around the house or on power cables for my guitar gear.

I generally purchase from the Ebay merchant Enjoy HiFi because they are reliable, fast and for some reason they manage to bypass Canadian Customs

I’ve never had a problem swapping the housing, but some "named" brands may not fit - But If you purchase them from Ebay, they all tend to use the same design

Hope that helps - Steve

 

 

@lemonhaze - I really liked your post above :-)

I am surprised you got the response you did. I have tried similar comparisons, with mixed results, rangnig from..

  1. making up all sorts of obscure advantages of the cables they sell - or...
  2. I had two guys frantically trying different amps and speakers, amazed at the improvements they were hearing with the Helix

RE: the RCA plugs...

  • sonic craft still has the Absolute Harmony and there are a few others
  • I notice on the KLE site the PURE 22 and the PERFECT 22 - either of these would be excellent

What would the improvements be? - I would imagine details and dynamics

I have not tried them because I amhappy with what I have and the additional expence of replacing my Absolute Harmonywould not be worth the improvement

 

I'll get back to you on the power connectors - right now I have to run, sorry

@williewonka, Hi Steve, with the KLE plugs becoming harder to find I'm interested to hear from you if you have tried the new and more expensive 'Perfect22' and what if any change in sound you have noticed.

I don't know if you missed my previous post, third post above this on 02-26-2024

Looking for advice please on what schuko plug to use.

@norco74, thanks. The design works beautifully and I envisage not resting until I finally have replaced all cables in my system with the helix geometry.

I have recently added a Townshend Platform under my Oppo 103 which has provided an excellent upgrade to the sound, think along the improvement gained from the helix cable. A further lowering of the noise floor. Uses springs according to the component or speaker's weight.

Very different from the cones and spikes mistake of the 80's.  They are pricey though. Got mine second hand.

 

Hi williewonka, a belated return to thread, sometimes life gets in the way.

I’m now about to turn my attention to power cables and would like recommendations from you for a schuko plug, perhaps an all out best and next best.

I have been thoroughly enjoying the interconnects I made and on a visit to an audio show in Dublin I took along a pair of cables on the off chance I could compare them to some expensive and well regarded big name stuff as a sanity check. The most impressive was the all Gryphon room, all Gryphon cabling. They do not entertain the idea of anything else. The system comes at about Euro 250000

The chap in attendance named Rune agreed to the comparison at end of day. Analogue was via XLR and so I used one of my pair for digital which accepted RCA. My wife, Rune and I sat front center in that order and listened for about 20 minutes to a variety of music. The Gryphon cable was XLR so we set it via remote 3dB lower and did swap overs on the fly. Well, hmmm, very little difference was heard. My wife said she watched his face and that he looked a bit shocked. I heard slightly more assertive chords on grand piano, bass and treble too close to call. When I asked Rune what he heard he said tonality, it’s in the tone. Well he had to say something, his boss was standing near! I asked the boss his impression who said it had been a long day and wasn’t really listening.

The Gryphon cable sells for Euro 5000 so this is a sterling effort from you considering his cables had been running all day and mine played with no settling time at all.

 

@williewonka You are absolutely correct to encourage protection of a Warranty.

These small sureties are valuable to have available.

I myself am long overdue on any security on offer.

All individuals involved in the planning and application  are EE's either from the  original build and willing to add to their design or the EE behind the new designs to be put in place.

Double ,Helix ,has a place in this, I thinks anyways

@sasho  - re: Where from we can purchase teflon tube

I get mine from PArts Connecxion or Take Five Audio

The diameter of 12 AWG wire is 2.053 mm or 0.0808 inches

Add 25% and you are looking for an internal diameter of approxiately 2.5mm or 0.1 inches.

Unfortunately, I just checked and none of my original sources appear to sell this size any longer, so I would search the web for this size tubing

Regards - Steve

 

This method has lead me to thinking there is the potential to have a Hard Wire connection for the Pre’s Out, with a Helix Design Cable concealed within the Power Amp.

One person I know of replaced vavious wiring within his components with Helix Geometry wires (i.e. signal, hard wired and power wires) and reported exceptional improvements over the factory installed wiring.

I cannot confirm this because it’s a little too extreme for me and I like my warranties.

Regards - Steve

The Beauty of what is happening with the intentions within a Thread Like this, is that when it comes to base materials there is no holds barred, but plenty of experience suggesting a particular method and expected results.

If the PC Triple C is able to be sourced as a materials to meet a particular recommended method, this will add to the options already on the table for the Helix Design.

I really Look forward to all the build reports that are to steadily be reported back on.

My own requirements may be changing as my original plan to go Balanced was to have a Short Helix Cable external to the Amps Chassis, as the Pre Amp Out and Power Amp In.

A design has now been presented where the Pre and Power might work like an integrated with the Pre Amp Coupled to the Power Amps Chassis.

This method has lead me to thinking there is the potential to have a Hard Wire connection for the Pre's Out, with a Helix Design Cable concealed within the Power Amp. The individuals doing the work are yet to be presented with this as an idea.

Ok wonderful. Thanks @pindac fof verifying. Good that I had the same PCCC on my radar. 
I currently am using all Aeco xlr connectors. They are beautiful with low mass and hollow tubes.

I’ll give the Accoustic Revive a go on my next copper XLR pair.
But I’m honestly going to use some Up-OCC silver first.

@camrector I've added 2 Links to my previous post, I had a search for you.

From my knowledge XLR's are both Low Mass and Low Eddy.

Low Eddy RCA's will be found in WBT ranges.

I've done a lot over the years to produce a system that resolves the embedded info, in a way I believe the recording engineer intended it to be heard as sound and effect when replayed. 

PC Triple C was another material when introduced, that offered a new capability to reinforce the experience as having been increased in honesty.     

Here is my source for the Acoustic Revive @pindac 

I don’t use any RCA ICs. Balanced XLRs only. What are some examples of the low eddy ICs?
Source component cable is my own LAN cable using 20awg solid silver. 
It sounds crazy I know but these Speakons are beating everything i throw at them. 

@camrector My ears are pricked up, my attention is on you 🤓

Firstly the Cable you have referred to has sort of vanished, it is periodically showing for sale.

It is this Rtiple C cable remaining in the form purchased, that superseded my use of Mapleshade Clearview Double Helix Speaker Cable used between 845 Monoblock Amp’s and ESL Speakers. Note: This Triple C did take about two hours of usage before it become the Cable that shamed the M’shade.

A few weeks of revert back to M’shade and return to Triple C, left the M’shades seemingly inferior and very veiled and muddy as a description.

Here’s the crazier side of it, approx’ three years previous, a Speaker Cable Bake Off was arranged at a home with another Valve Power Amp’ > ESL. There was from recollection approx’ £7K New Cables in the line up, of which the most expensive was a £1.5K pair.

The final selection and ones that all in attendance were unanimous as being the better Cable on the day was a True Silver @ £700 per pair.

The Wild Card M’shades were then used as the comparison, and the whole room fell apart on which was the better. The individual buying Cables would have bought the M’shades if they were a UK Cable and not a Import.

I learnt later that True Silvers have a origin from the US.

The wonder is what will the Triple C have done on this day if available at the time.

As for mass in a Connector, this is one very well flogged to death within my HiFi social circle.

Low Mass is now proven to be wanting when compared to Low Eddy.

Low Eddy RCA’s as a Cable Termination and Chassis Mount, will most likely knock you out of the Ball Park, well it did for myself anyway.

I thought I understood the envelope of a note or vocal, I do now as a result of being introduced to Low Eddy on a SS System, in a way that I have never experienced before.

I've had a search and discovered the two options, the Reference II is I believe 1.8mm and SPV 0.9mm Diameter.

Both are a rare discovery at this price, matching pricing around COVID times.

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/audio9:10004960/2_1/

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/audio9:10004950/2_1/

 

 

  

@pindac 

its on my list to try!  Specifically  the Acoustic Revive SPC-AV TripleC. I’ve recently completed a massive overhaul of my system. Just letting everything settle a bit. 
I’ve been experimenting lately with different low mass connectors. All my favorites (AECO, KLE, ETI) are getting beat by Neutrik Speakons!! Ive been pretty shocked by the results. 

@camrector Have you considered PC Triple C Wire.

I have wore on my sleeve, my being an advocate of the Wire Type within this Thread and on this forum on quite a few occasions.

I own it as Purchased  Cable and as the Wire only. It is owned as both Solid and Stranded, and I also own a length of PC Triple C / EX, that is quite expensive.

There is a Helix Build using Triple C within this thread, a report on the impression mase is available from the end user.

In my own HiFi community in the UK, my loaning of the the wire has made a big impression, where a growing in number are superseding the use of OCC Copper and Silver for the Triple C.

Some who have experienced it in comparison to OCC, and are in possession of systems claimed to be very resolving, are classing the impression made as Night/Day as a betterment. 

As a result of my loan of Triple C, and growing in number converts, the wire has caused a stimulus and curiosity to those that are introduced to it.

The Wire is now found in use as PC, Hook Up Wire, Interconnects, Cart' Tags, Speaker Internal and Speaker Cables and it is also now used as a Continuous Wand Wire within a Tonearm as a upgrade by a renowned UK based Tonearm designer / builder. 

The same TA builder has intimated, they may send a Cart' to a rebuild service to have the Coils wound in Triple C, when the suitable wire is discovered. 

I hope you become curious and make inroads to try out this alternative wire option. 

Where from we can purchase teflon tube 

I plan to use Neotech OCC copper 14 AWG hook up wire  with pvc Insulation which will be stripped

Which Is proper teflon tube gauge to use with 14 AWG Neotech wire - 12 AWG ?

@sasho - you can use whatever wire you like.

My preference is for the 10 gague silver plated milspec because I like the sound.

I have tried a few wires for the neutral and no other wire to date has provided the warmth and details.dynamics except - I did try UP-OCC copper, but it sounded far too analytical for my liking and it was very expensive

I also prefer having a larger gauge on the neutral, so,,,

  • if you are using an 8 ohm speaker then use 2 x 16 awg for the signal and a 1 x 12 awg wire for the neutral or a 2 x 14 awg wire
  • if you are using a 2-4 ohm speaker then use 2 x 14 awg for the signal and  a 1 x 10 gague wire for the neutral - or a 2 x 12 awg wire

You can use a stranded wire or a solid wire, but the stranded wire is ore flexible

Hope that helps - Steve

 

 

Steve,

Would you please recommend an alternative to 10 AWG Mil Spec Silver Plated Copper Wire from take faive audio used as neutral conductor In Helix Speaker Cable or Power Cable

What makes so special that particular Mil Spec Silver Plated Copper Wire