Okay here's the deal. Been dealing w/ Nigel @ Audioquest, My local brick and mortar AQ dealer, and Pay Pal. First off if you order from Dh gate you're supporting fakes. AQ is very nice but fed up w/ this subject. And Pay pal is going to refund my $. I ordered a pair of Sky interconnects and the nightmare began, seller on Dhgate flat out tried the Jedi mind trick on me. So got me to thinking, called AQ and got walked through dis assembling these. Mine were the bi wire 72 v dbs version. Yes mine are Rockfeller 3 [AQ never heard of version 3] also mine were wired backwards. So they are also defective. Long story short, according to pay pal if anyone sells these they are commiting a crime and to pass around is to continue to keep a fake in circulation. I had to provide a statement saying I have destroyed mine. Gotta admit 956.00 for a pair of rockfellers got my attention. However I jumped ship and bought a mega price pair of MIT's from Brick and Mortar shop. Should be here by next Fri. My k2's? in the trash. I can tell you those sellers on dh gate and dh gate are real real nasty when it comes time to own up. As you can see I'm not so tactful sometimes.
Have a great day all. And if I can be of any assistance to any of you in this matter shoot me a line. I'm also formerly Rebos12367 here. Got fed up w/ new system and left. Still on the fence w/ buying here again, however I am thinking I need a new processor any ideas?
Bruce |
Just got my new Audioquest K 2 speaker cables from DH GATE yep I said it. So what I know are quote un quote real Audioquest cables just got blown away by a $380.00 total cost [shipped door to door in 6 days] pair of Audioquest k2's from DH Gate.
Tycobb
07-30-12
07-30-12: Tycobb
Mark my words DH GATE will be on everyone's lips w/ in a year. They're gonna cut out the middle-man and all those 400% mark ups. Just for kicks anyone wanna buy a brand new pair of audioquest k2's orginal box all packing supplies included? list price 3000.00 I'll let em go for 50% off that price what a deal right? Or you could do what I did [on a whim] log onto dh gate and pay 380 and have em by mon or tues of next week.
High end home audio is getting ready to change big time.
Cheers,
I'm gone
Bruce
FYI Rebos12367 08-11-12: Tycobb
Okay here's the deal. Been dealing w/ Nigel @ Audioquest, My local brick and mortar AQ dealer, and Pay Pal. First off if you order from Dh gate you're supporting fakes. AQ is very nice but fed up w/ this subject. And Pay pal is going to refund my $. I ordered a pair of Sky interconnects and the nightmare began, seller on Dhgate flat out tried the Jedi mind trick on me. So got me to thinking, called AQ and got walked through dis assembling these. Mine were the bi wire 72 v dbs version. Yes mine are Rockfeller 3 [AQ never heard of version 3] also mine were wired backwards. So they are also defective. Long story short, according to pay pal if anyone sells these they are commiting a crime and to pass around is to continue to keep a fake in circulation. I had to provide a statement saying I have destroyed mine. Gotta admit 956.00 for a pair of rockfellers got my attention. However I jumped ship and bought a mega price pair of MIT's from Brick and Mortar shop. Should be here by next Fri. My k2's? in the trash. I can tell you those sellers on dh gate and dh gate are real real nasty when it comes time to own up. As you can see I'm not so tactful sometimes.
Have a great day all. And if I can be of any assistance to any of you in this matter shoot me a line. I'm also formerly Rebos12367 here. Got fed up w/ new system and left. Still on the fence w/ buying here again, however I am thinking I need a new processor any ideas?
Bruce My, my my....what a difference two weeks can make huh? So the cables that "blew you away" two weeks ago turned out to be defective fakes? Maybe we should all wire our cables backwards? I'm a believer in the effects of cables in a system, but this thread certainly shows how ones mind can play tricks on ones ears. Chalk up one for the objectivists. |
Tycobb,
You shouldn't be hungry for a week after all of the words you are eating today. |
Well - if it's too good to be true it usually is - surely rings true in this case then.
In light of above any offer I have made to loan these to anyone is hereby retracted.
As always Good Listening
Peter |
As Bugs Bunny would say, "What an Ultra Maroon". |
Tycobb,
Sounds like more bs from you. Really, biwire interconnects? new one on me. And the interconnects were Rockefeller 3, a silver coated speaker cable? And how were they wired backwards? most interconnects have a hot and ground? Did your music come out backwards? oh yeah, in your OP they were great.
I'd like to know who the actual supplier was, instead of stating it was DH Gate. They dont sell stuff, they are like Ebay, and they dont release the money to the seller until you respond to an email that says you are satisfied, or if you dont respond to the email within a few days. So, Ty, tell us who the supplier was, not the auction site. and explain what a biwire interconnect is that you thought sounded so good. |
You should have stayed retired. |
What i said was AFTER i got the "k2's" I tried to order a pair of sky interconnects then the true nightmare began seller tried the order is being held in customs line and bogus tracking info. DHL and Pay pal advised me that i was being ripped off. So I opened a claim w/ pay pal they since [not because of me] have stopped duing transactions w/ dh gate. For this exact reason, thier crooks. My speaker cables were the bi wire version and yes the cables were wired backwards. The interconnects never existed guy just flat out tried to rip me off. Crooks user name is audiok on dh gate and seller of k2's is audiophile. |
O and for the person who actually ordered a pair also be prepaired to recieve all sorts of interesting e-mails. Don't know if it cause I got $ back out of em or it's just thier standard jive. Like I said they are real nasty. I blocked em. |
So we have a pair of supposed k2 cables that were wired backwards from TyCobb and PBM has a set that have the right size conductors, but with Rockefeller 3 sheathing and silver coating on copper wire that sound pretty good in his system, but not as good as his reference. Quality of construction seems good, with good hardware and terminations and connectors.
I guess the question is, if we forget the name and the hype, are these cables worth the money compared to what else is on the market. Based on PBM's early review, they seem to be. But he purchased his from a different supplier than TyCobb, if that makes a difference. |
Technically you can get them for free from dhgate by cancelling payment once the item is shipped or received. That may cause substantial depletion of credit card accepting sellers there. After you do that you shouldn't really care what's comming after you... |
Bad idea, these jokers don't play. Remember they have your shipping address. I recieved calls from MD and CA trying to convince me to drop my pal pal dispute. Also from DH Gate's main page too. They are all in it togther. |
Have FBI agent tap your phone and they'll be tracked. Most-likely they just mask with US area codes but initiate calls from there. I had an agent track one from philipines with NV mask. |
So last little tidbit on this subject - I got an email asking me to complete the order from DH Gate, logged on and found the option to IM with the seller directly. I confronted him about the issues already discussed in posts above. He claimed that he had no prior knowledge about the "Rockefeller 3" wire and to his knowledge this was "real" K2 wire So I asked him where he got the wire from he said he "got it from OEM factory they make cables for a lot of companies" - I asked what is the name of OEM factory he said "I cannot tell you that"
I actually think he was telling at least some of the truth - the real scam artist is higher up the chain.
As Always, Good Listening
Peter |
Sounds like a reasonable story to me. Im sure chinese factories are not particular about who they sell to or what they sell. Looks like the real thing, so why would he know different except for the price. I should get my order in a couple of days, so I will have a better idea of what it is. |
Ok, so I got the speaker cables yesterday, hooked them up and was playing some classic vinyl recordings when my wife came home for dinner. I didnt mention the change in cables. We sat down to dinner, with the music playing. Part way through dinner the wife commented on how good the system sounded and I could see her getting distracted by the music as she got in the groove.
Still havent told her about the change, and I havent sat down critically to see if I can describe what I hear, but on first impression, it seems the music has opened up, cleaner between notes, less electronic, smoother in the treble.
Now, admittedly, my prior cables were nothing special, basically a diy set that nonetheless sounded good to me. These "K2" cables do sound better.
I have not taken them apart to see what is inside. the boxes and interior packaging look like audioquest. there is no UPC code on the box. the cables look well made with decent connectors. The 72v box hooks up to the cables and lights up green when you push the button. there is nothing I can see externally that would suggest these are anything other than "k2" cables.
I did have a set of Sky interconnects that showed up today. I havent put them in the system yet. these also look like real thing.
I can say that shipping was free, and arrived in less than a week from Hong Kong. Much better than my Ultimate Cables which have still not arrived after 5 months from Canada. from my own experience, the only time I have been ripped off in all my audio purchases is by Ultimate Cables. I dont consider these K2 or Sky cables to be a rip off, regardless of what their insides may reveal.
Just my experience. Your mileage may vary. |
Have we just come full circle from my orginal post? We truly are a strange breed. As I count 3 items have been purchased as a result.
I did do a head to head w/ my "bed rocks" before trashing mine. The "ha" K2's were, hate to say it better all around. I might be an ass but I'm a honest ass. Mine are long gone [trashman came yesterday] MIT's are supposed to be here FRI. So I'll be posting experience w/ them as well. If you guys turn around and buy 3 sets of them as a result....................................good times. |
All I can say, is that I cant tell if mine are real or fake from the packaging or the actual cables. There is nothing externally to give it away. I dont intend to cut into mine to check. All I can say is that if they are fake, someone is going through an awful lot of expense and trouble for little gain. Since I have seen K2 advertised for anthing from $380 to $3500 to $7000 to $14,000, what is the real price? and who is being dishonest? the $7000 seller? The $14000 seller or the $380 seller. How would I know if the $14000 cables came from the same place as the $380 cables? you can't tell from the package or product unless you do like PBN and cut it open. Who is going to do that on a $14000 cable. I wish Audioquest would speak up and tell us definitively what the differnce is, if any. I dont intend to buy any more,but I have satisfied my curiosity. |
If you would allow me to "help" if needed. You should be able to remove 1 of the connections. Either end. My bet is they are the same as everyone else got. There are very small arrows on the individual wires black and red. As well as the words bass and treble. |
Manitunc
I agree with you - its definitely $ 380 well spent - the wire is well made, have good connectors and it appears to have the right geometry - in my system it sounds "lighter" than my Kimber 16TC which is custom made for me by the great folks a Kimber. For what its worth my "K2" are terminated in the "right" direction with the arrows on the internal leads pointing in the direction of the signal flow, and this really does not matter much, the way the wire is terminated determine the way of the directionality , the shield connected to ground at the amplifier end - however Im puzzled by this - it indicate that the wire is not intended for use with differential mono blocks like mine. Some folks my say that the way the internal conductors are spun - ie clock wise or counter clock wise for the negative vs the positive leads matters - I think not.
If you like the wires then that is all that maters, enjoy the music, sounds like you are :-)
"Part way through dinner the wife commented on how good the system sounded and I could see her getting distracted by the music as she got in the groove."
- can not be better than that.
As always good listening
Peter |
Manitunc, It would be interesting if they both weighed the same! See if you can get AQ to give you total grams on a K2. |
Nah, I'm not going to bother. If someone else wants to find out and post the weight here, I will weigh mine and compare. |
New cables arrived of course they are the best on the planet cause I got em [hehe] All jokes aside, pay pal refunded my $ to me for the K2 knock off's, Yes part of the deal was that I destroy them, done. FYI, MIT has dis continued 3 of their lines EXP AVT and CVT oops Shotgun too I think. Cables are so confusing. Anyway great deals are out there for these now. I decided on the CVT Terminator 2. Wow! [quit laughing] bass extention is incredible and I guess you guru's call it cymbal decay? Never had a reference point w/ this before. To me alot more "full/rich" sound. Audioquest were real clean and bright almost harsh compaired to these. Been burning in since Fri. These just so far keep getting happier and happier of maybe that's me. I do have 1 question [here we go again] I ended up buying single wire version. My question is do aftermarket "jumpers" make a difference over "stock" jumpers that came w/ speakers?
Thanx!
Bruce |
Tycobb, Everybody says stock jumpers (plates) are horrible. I use biwired (shotgun) cables but still need jumpers between tweeter and midrange in my 3 way speakers. I use Audioquest jumpers. They come silver or gold plated.
http://www.amazon.com/SET-4-SILVER-BIWIRE-JUMPERS/dp/B0057FK8RS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345420469&sr=8-2&keywords=audioquest+jumpers |
