Doge 7 tube DAC


Anyone here using or have heard the Doge 7 tube DAC? I'm very interested in it after watching the review of Jay (The next best thing studio).


I was set on getting the Denafrips Venus II but after viewing his review, i am now on the fence whether i should get the Doge 7 or the Venus II. Jay gave the Doge 7 "the best DAC award last month along with the Pontus" and yesterday on their yearly awards, he gave the "Best price no object - component award of the year" to Doge 7 tube DAC and take note, among its competitors were the Denafrips Pontus and Terminator+.


I'm really intrigued if i should get the Doge 7 due to this.

My system:

B&W 805D3

Primaluna EVO400 tube preamp (soon)

Primaluna EVO400 tube poweramp - 2x 70w (soon)

streamer - either lumin u1 mini or OpticalRendu (soon)

small bedroom setup (18 sqm/193 sqft)

music i listen to = jazz/classical/soft relaxing music. I don't listen to rock, electronic, loud, disco music.


joms

Showing 5 responses by jjss49

i have a doge 7 here now, comparing against audio note 4.1, dena pontus, soekris 1421, a nicely modded mf trivista, and my trusty standbys a-m tubador, sonnet morpheus, mhdt orchid and chord tt2/scaler
Or you can keep watching Jay/NBTS, he will be promoting another giant killer chifi dac next month. And another one the month after ...



hahaha arafiq - couldn’t agree w you more

flavor of the month, flavor of the week

rite of survival with these internet/youtube reviewers

ultimate hamster on treadmill - ultimately credibility asymptotic to zero
this will take some time, several units to sort through, tube choices, rca vs xlr outs, lots of permutations to cover, differences can be somewhat subtle ... i will come back with what i am hearing once i have solidified the impressions ... thanks for the interest!
quick report back, i am part done doing comparisons, can report on the following

system context/caveats first -

-- using the doge 7 vs a-m tubador 3se vs ank dac 4.1 all using xlr outputs, stock tube sets, vs long term references sonnet morpheus and much more expensive chord hugo tt2/m scaler

-- dacs feed into the ancient but still absolutely brilliant carver lightspeed reference passive linestage balanced section... into hegel h20, with purist audio xlr cabling (aqueos, dominus and colossus) to spendor sp100r2's - volume adjusted of course, the carver has 3 xlr inputs so i can a-b-c instantly - the morpheus, doge and chord stack all have volume adjustability to allow easy and exact volume equalization

findings thus far -

all three tube dacs are outstanding, sound very natural and dimensional, convincing body/weight/texture around voices, strings/woodwinds/piano, extended realistic treble with absolutely minimal sizzle/sibilance, solid round tuneful bass

-- sonnet morpheus was the least good sounding of the bunch -- it sounds great on its own, but once you directly compare, it has a slight but immediately noticeable grain/grit through the lower treble and midrange, compared against the others, while deep bass was slightly better than all the tubed dacs (deeper, more air) ... but i did not feel the bass presentation of the other dacs were lacking in the least ...

-- the chord combo (running at highest oversampling mode, sharp filter) was easily the cleanest of all, most easeful, velvety, best spatial presentation (big and yet very specific outlines of instruments), simply the most analog... i think due to the extreme oversampling and high fpga tap count, there is by far the most processing power at work here, so the digits/bits are glued back together in the most seamless, complete fashion ... there is NO harshness, NO sibilance, voices hang in the air, no electronic artifacts, bass is extremely deep and tuneful, just amazing -- shouldn’t be a surprise here, the m scaler/tt2 stack is ~3x the others in $$ and competes in a different league (see @verdantaudio’s bake-off thread)

-- among the three tubed dacs, i rank the audio note a touch better than the a-m and doge -- audio note has a notably richer, more saturated presentation, fatter (but least wooly) midrange, tones have best decay, woodwinds/guitar piano sound more full/harmonic, while there is also very good air/openess up top ... whereas the a-m has a more closed-in (intimate, haha) presentation and image, dynamically excellent, but just a touch of harshness can sneak its way in on some recordings... doge 7 using stock tubes sounded the leanest among the 3 tubed dacs by a slim margin, most prone to some sibilance (but not quite as lean as the chord combo)...  the doge benefitted from a very deep image even if its decay was not quite as convincing on cymbals steel string guitar for instance ... listening deeper, the doge and a-m have a noticeable wooly quality to their midrange richness, which is quite appealing at first, until you hear the ank (richer but clearer, less wooly) or the chord (a touch leaner but much clearer, utterly pristine and pure), makes me wonder if that wooliness is added 2nd order harmonics (but then why is the ank rich but cleaner?) -- or -- it is a very subtle, slightly mechanical/digital nature to the sound, like the bits aren’t being glued together quite as finely maybe, i dunno... the a-m bass is full and deep, doge a bit thinner but still really excellent ... both a-m and doge bass are very tuneful, but don’t quite have the air and impact of the ank (the chord stack is vastly superior on bass) upon comparison (bear in mind the hegel amp is absolutely superb at portraying bass differences)

i still need to play with tube variations in the doge and a-m... doge will see old stock usa or euro 12ax7’s (which should add more warmth and texture), and the a-m will have mini-tubes come out and see old stock 6dj8’s go in, see how tonality changes

more to come...
@nnsixx

i have not carefully compared balanced vs rca outs on the doge as yet... nor have i had a chance to tube roll... with the multiple paralleled tubes in the unit it is a bit of a pain, but i will eventually get around to it

i would agree a weak point in the doge is that despite using a multitude of 12ax7’s in its output circuit the output voltage is not strong... i am always adjusting other dacs down in volume to match the weak output level of the doge even at 127 max output setting when doing comparisons

i am a two channel listener only, no ht for me