"Eat in restaurants?"How does this get in the "pollution/wastefulness" story?
Wouldn't restaurants, If anything, lower rather than increase pollution by using slightly more energy for much more food prepared (think of rice in Chinese restaurants) .
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"They see doom in everything and anything.It is, in fact, adults who see a potential problem and doom in everything. Infants, all the way to and through adolescence, have more of an invincible and untouchable stance. Save for the time around 4 or 5 years of age when thoughts about dying emerge. So, weak it may be, but is not infantile. It is very adult-like. |
I just glanced over those charts but they seem to correlate environmental CO2 concentrations with side effects and not blood content. Actual effect on an individuum may not be that straightforward. I do not know about the whole species over many years, though. It may not be that simple for anyone to claim she/he knows it. |
There is difference between "environmental CO2 concentration" and "blood CO2 content". They are, of course, related but they do not necessarily correlate all the time. At this moment, within 100 miles or kilometers from you, there is a number of people whose blood CO2 content is higher than normal. Not ideal, but they go on for the most part. It is surprising that carbon dioxide has been so firmly debated here while carbon monoxide has not. In the long run, it may be even harder to adapt to increased levels of environmental carbon monoxide. At this point in history, an individual’s adaptation/adjustment of levels of inhaled carbon monoxide may be way weaker than the one for carbon dioxide. Also, significant increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would have to bring the concentration of O2 down, potentially complicating equations and physiologic responses. No word about it on the last few pages here, either. Let’s just call it a half-baked babbling and be done. |
I guess so. I may be lazy and non-sensical. I, naively, thought that following your advice... "If your eyes glaze over you can scroll down to a nifty chart with a breakdown of noted exposure levels and their effects."would be good enough. Anyway, there is not much in those articles that specifically talks about blood CO2 content. There is one, maybe I missed another one, reference to it but it was about acute exposure. In fact, most of it talks about acute or, at best, sub-chronic exposure. It would be hard to draw conclusions about the future of a whole species based on that. If chronic exposure of unlucky individuals is anything to go by, we may even have a chance. People do survive and lead meaningful lives with increased blood CO2 content. Not ideal, but after some millenia of adaptation it may get better. Who would know? |
If we decide not to believe "experts" are right about what is allegedly happening today, why do we decide to believe that "experts" are right about what happened millions of years ago? How come we are sure what happened then but cannot decide what is happening now? Are we picking dinosauri over cherries? |
It would be interesting to find an experienced specialist in long-term (thousands, if not millions, of years) toxic exposure. The world is not full of them. After all, why cherry-pick carbon dioxide and dance around that question? There is more to pollution and global warming than that. Apparently, it takes more than a half-baked babbling on an audiophile website to grasp the idea. |
Check Google, it is your friend, if you choose to have one. Hint: fossil fuels, carbon monoxide. I am sorry, nonoise, it is my fault. I did give it benefit of the doubt that you have some very basic knowledge about what you were talking about. It turns out, it was a few links to the articles irrelevant to the discussion kosst_amojan started and nothing that you could actually contribute. Except for an insult of two, once you have no answer to anything. I sincerely apologize. I will not waste any more electricity to engage, or try to educate, you. |
noble100, Does your theory take into consideration that some plants differ in diurnal cycle? Do these humans you mention also follow that pattern? Are plants getting smarter due to becoming more like humans of some time ago? Maybe that is the secret with Mpingo tree. This is definitely a thought-provoking thread. How did we get to CO2 and plants on Audiogon? |
I admit I liked the geoffkait thread more. At least everyone was in agreement there. What the heck are you guys fuming about here? Liberties? Government? Storms? Each other? CO2? Coal companies? Beneficial bacteria? Mansion purchasing in California? Come on, do you even read this? Isn't it a sunny day wherever you are? Go out, walk the dog. |
I believe they did. I read it on an audio forum. Austrian Economics, audio, environment, and taxes... https://hifi-products.com/hifi-audio-manufacturers-austria.html https://www.climatechangepost.com/austria/climate-change/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Austria |
We need a rain dance. It is just unclear if it is fine to use class A amplifiers for music or not. Has anyone tried to make a wind-up amplifier (or any other audio device)? That would help with many of the audiophile electrical power issues, epidemics of obesity, greenhouse gasses, and, as importantly, prevent this thread from starting. |
I still think that a wind-up equipment is our future. It would help people exercise while preserving environment and avoiding many of the electrical problems some are addressing these days. Nobody would be able to say "yeah, but what about miles of power lines before your wall outlet". Peace and love on Audiogon forum would follow. |
There is a statue of Lenin in many places. From Capri to New York City to Las Vegas to Paris to Moscow to Antarctica. Is there one on Red Square in Moscow? There is a mausoleum, but is there really a statue on the square? The quote about needs and abilities was actually popularized by Karl Marx and not Lenin himself. I am not sure if Marx ever even visited Russia, but he was well-known to have had negative thoughts about the country itself to which he, at times, referred as "menace". Overall, if one desires to feel connection with the quote above, a visit to Trier may be better placed than visit to Moscow. Not to mention that recycling is alive and well in Germany and a bit less so in Russia. It is unclear what all of this has to do with leaving an amplifier on, but once it is here... |
Every participant on this thread should get one of these... https://www.zazzle.com/karl_marx_ability_needs_keychain-146541181034258007 Maybe change Marx into our names and everything will be just right. |
By the way, my "playful" comment was aiming at rumors of Lenin not being overly monogamous. millercarbon, maybe inna does not even need your suggestions about Lenin... https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/dec/18is.htm I am just a messenger, I have no investment in this. What were we talking about? Oh, yes, amplifiers. |
They moved that one. Not too far, but it is not on Red Square anymore. My reading incomprehension was the product of incomprehensible writing. "Ever been to Moscow, Inna? Red Square? I have. Got a little statue there, fella name of Lenin."They got? I got? It was not easy to figure out. I thought it would be strange that a person with such a disdain for Lenin buys himself a souvenir statue so it made more sense as "They got..." Well, they do not. Like him or not, Marx could, at least, write. |
"Why read Marx?"Not to seem silly with assigning statements to wrong people. Seriously, you guys have lots of passion and firm opinions about things. When you start discussing philosophical theories, it is not enough to read a few newspaper articles or a book that tangentially mentions it. You actually have to be familiar with the work to be able to avoid appearing silly. It is not science, you cannot hold on to numbers. It is something to discuss and not knowing what it really says puts you in the weak position. Just look at this thread. |
millercarbon, Calm down, I am trying to help you not to make yourself appear like a barroom debater who got his knowledge from a TV show. As far as silly anything, basically everything you wrote in that post that mentions Lenin. It was baffling. You even suggested that a man goes to Russia. I am not sure what the thing about Lenin statue on the Red Square in Moscow was. Maybe it is a souvenir you are talking about, which would make sense given the humor and lack of anything that can be connected in that whole post. There is no Lenin statue there. I am aware you have been there, I am just not sure what you are talking about. Still, if you want to appear more noble, or less clueless, when talking about Marx read his works. It will give you better view. You may, or may not, like it but it is the only way to make your own opinion about it. Reading a novel by someone who was born a few decades after the one you are discussing has died will not get you far. You are actually helpful in discussions about audio, but philosophy and other topics are not your forte. Lenin often gets another credit that he might have not deserved. The "useful idiots" quote. Check it out. |
"...that wasn’t really socialism either." Another reason to read Marx before arguing here. He wrote his thoughts more eloquently and with less anger. He did have many thoughts about socialism and not many, if any, were what "should" be. What can you do, sometimes those fighting the most are simply closeted supporters without even knowing it. Can’t even run a thread about amplifier practices without someone resorting to being mad about government, Lenin, and fictional statues. |