dragon_vibe
I agree with you completely. I have also sold gear all over Asia. But I do believe the OP since I lived in Thailand for years. However, I cannot ever remember being scammed by anyone in Asia.
But I may note that I was ripped of by Rick Schultz of High Fidelity Cables in the US, Hegel in Norway, the UK distributor for Einstein Audio, and a number of dishonest Audiogon sellers as well as dishonest Ebay sellers. You might as well paint the whole world of high end audio as being dishonest. But, thankfully, most of the people I have done audio business with have been totally honest.
There are indeed idiots everywhere with no ethical practices when it comes to business. It is always caveat emptor -- may the buyer beware.
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schubert,
In which case you are anticipating catastrophic consequences based on the worst possible outcome and then everyone stops trading. |
Why is Thailand any worse than anywhere else?
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tubegroover,
My point is simply that Thailand is no worse than anywhere else. |
tubegroover,
You're welcome. No problem. |
knghifi,
I agree with you that avoiding a country is irrational based on a transaction.
tubegrover,
You could say the same thing about the US or anywhere else if you got ripped off by someone from that country. In which case all countries must be avoided since every country imaginable qualifies. Your reasoning leads to that conclusion. |
bar81,
Exactly. We don't have that here.
The probability or odds that schubert talks about is a supposition that is not based on proven facts. In fact, no one can point to any country as being a culprit, as a whole. There are only individual transactions that have gone wrong -- from every country imaginable. |
Do laws make a country free of fraud? What about countries with lots of fraud laws on the books that are still rampant with fraud? In any case, how would a law on fraud protect you from a dishonest audio seller -- in any country? What are you going to do? Take them to court?
With all the laws on fraud in the US, I have been ripped off more times by Americans than by any others. I think we can all come up with a few instances of obvious fraud in the public sector to debunk the notion that laws on fraud protect anyone -- in any area of life.
Regarding audio, the contrary also applies. Just because a country has inadequate fraud protection does not mean that an audio transaction will automatically go bad. I have done lots of audio business with Thailand without a single problem. In the end, it is the individual who makes a transaction go right or wrong, not the law. |
chrshanl37,
I agree with you completely. I have lived in 9 countries and now reside abroad. There are bad and good people everywhere. Country of origin is a predictor of nothing at all -- except racism on the part of those who want make one country look bad -- or worse than others. |
schubert,
The kind of generalization you are making is nonsense. Books on Asian culture do not tell the whole story. Face is big in Asia -- but not only in Asia.
I live in Asia. My wife is Asian. I know lots of people in high end audio all over Asia.
If screwing customers in Asia is to be assumed in transactions then how to explain that I have never had a single problem doing audio business here. I have done audio business with Indonesia, India, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand.
Talking about screwing customers, governments all over the world screw the people. Why not start with that generalization. You might find more people agreeing with you on that subject. |
schubert,
Once again, you are making an erroneous assumption. I am not a peer and never have been. I sell and buy audio equipment strictly on a personal basis for my system.
I agree you observations regarding government. |
Sorry for the typo. This should read:
I agree with your observations regarding government. |
talk2me,
The OP is entitled "DO NOT SELL OR BUY FROM THAILAND". And now you claim "I am not saying anything against the great country of Thailand". Does anyone notice the contradiction? |
dragon_vibe,
I have also been scammed by more sellers and buyers from the US than from any other country. But this does not prevent me from doing business with the US. It all comes down to honest people and dishonest people. It's the luck of the draw no matter what country we are talking about. |
dragon_vibe,
I agree with you that US patriotism -- in fact any patriotism -- is just plain silly. It can also be very dangerous. |
