Do audiophiles hate large subwoofers?


I'm noticing a lot of folks into high end audio prefer smaller subwoofers (If they add one at all). What are the reasons for not going after a 15", 18" or something even larger?

Seems like the quickness issue comes up a lot, but when you think about it on a larger subwoofer the excursion is not as severe so it would be more in control. Couple that with servo technology and it can be plenty quick and tight, no?
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@ivan_nosnibor, the amplifiers in the Rythmik plate amps are not bandwidth limited, they are "normal" Class A/B (the A370 model) or H (the H600 model) full range amplifiers. It is the filter settings chosen by the user that determines at what frequency roll off occurs. All Rythmik plate amps provide controls related to low-pass filtering (the frequency at which the sub's output is rolling off at the upper end of it's operating range), and even a filter for rolling off the low end of the sub (at either 14, 20, or 28Hz), along with a "damping" control, with high, low, and medium settings. One model plate amp (the A370PEQ) also provides high-pass filtered outputs on a pair of RCA jacks (that output signal is sent to the amp powering the main speakers used with the sub). That high-pass filtering is achieved via opamps (as it is in most crossovers), which are in general not "audiophile approved" ;-) . 
Ivan, while the controls on the Rythmik Audio plate amps (Danny sells the Rythmik A370 amp for use with his paper-cone version of the Rythmik 12" aluminum-cone woofer, but the amp was designed and is built by Brian Ding of Rythmik) indicate that low pass filtering is possible up to "only" 120Hz, the amp is also available in a special version which has been modified by Ding for use in the OB/Dipole sub; that is the version of the amp which provides output up to 300Hz. Kind of confusing!
Ivan, there is one sub that is usable up to 300Hz---the Rythmik Audio/GR Research OB/Dipole. You can check it out on the GR and Rythmik websites (though a result of the collaboration between GR’s Danny Richie and Rythmik’s Brian Ding, the sub is more Danny’s than Brian’s baby), as well as the GR AudioCircle Forum. A pair of 12" paper cone woofers mounted in an H-frame, with servo-feedback and dipole-cancellation compensation shelving circuits in the integral plate amp. A very unique sub, the only one of it’s kind!
The Rythmik A370 and H600 plate amps (found in the F12, F15, F18, and F25 models) are available in versions (the PEQ, not the XLR) that provide both line level (on RCA jacks) and high level (on binding posts) inputs. REL subs of course have a great rep with audiophiles, as do Rythmiks.

Rythmik Audio designer/owner Brian Ding has stated that his 15" woofer is no less nimble than is his 12". He also offers subs containing 8" and 18" drivers, and states that his different size subs vary in their maximum SPL capabilities at the lowest frequencies (below 30Hz), NOT in their sound quality.

A subwoofer driver’s performance is determined by a. number of factors, of course. People often cite the lower mass of the cone of a 12" woofer in comparison to that of a 15" as being the reason (all else being equal) for the 12" being "faster". That’s an over-simplification on a number of levels, one example being: The higher mass of the cone of the 15" can be easily be compensated for by using a larger motor (magnet). But that too is an over-simplification, as the gap in the magnet is also a factor. Beware those making simple, bumper sticker slogan proclamations. They should go into politics ;-) .