DIY turntable: where to start? And meanwhile....


Here�s what happened:

I went to the Teres website, pointed in that direction by Twl a while back, and got good and wired at the thought of a high-end turntable that could have something of a person�s own energy in its construction. I was especially into the idea of buying key parts rather than a complete kit, �sculpting� the base out of something that moved me....

Then I thought that since I�d never really looked under the hood of a turntable before, I might get a Thorens or an AR and upgrade and tweak it as a first project, acquiring some turntable savvy and a decent - whatever that means - turntable in the process. (I haven�t had one in a very long time. My wife and I are just now putting our sound system together again, after �abstaining� from recorded music since about 1990 on account of, well, you know what. But enough is enough, right? There is plenty of analog out there that we�ve never heard, along with all the gorgeous familiar stuff that we�ve done without for over a decade!). So my first question is:

Any thoughts on these proposed projects and/or on DIY turntables in general?

Now my cat jumps into the picture. He has this motto, NO WAITING, which he is always reminding me of when I�m in the middle of something that might make me think otherwise. What does this mean? We need a turntable. Not just a delectable art-function synergism next year, or a decent old refurbished one in a few months (I�d like to take my time and to experiment with the Thorens or AR), but a really nice, real thing right now, no waiting. So my second question is:

Any thoughts on something this side of around $800 BC (before cartridge)? Anybody who�s lived with a VPI in this range, a Linn LP12, Rega P25, Basis 1400...care to speak out?

Oh right, system and music. At present: Audible Illusions Modulus II pre into Van Alstine-ized Dynaco ST-70 power into home made bass-reflex cabinets w/Fostex FE-204 single drivers. What music will we listen to? Probably better what music won�t we listen to - sorry, can�t think of any! Definitely mostly acoustic, simple to complex, e.g. single wind instruments, Ali Akbar Khan and other ethnic classical, early European music on period instruments, Handel, Wagner (as long as it�s conducted by Solti and produced by Culshaw and the soprano part is sung by Birgit Nilsson and it�s the Telefunken pressing, we�re not particular), Cab Calloway, Lightnin Hopkins, Jim Kweskin, the Chieftains, Pat Metheny....

Thank you. Love this forum.
phoenixpizza

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Thank you, Twl. I’m afraid that some of my points weren’t as clear as they should have been, especially after I’d deleted enough of my long-winded post to fit it onto the forum.

My idea with the Teres project was not to buy the complete kit, but to purchase the platter assembly (platter/bearing/housing...) and the motor assembly (motor/pulley/controller card...) for about $1000 altogether, and to build the rest of the TT myself - once I knew what I was doing. I thought that a first turntable project (say, upgrading a Thorens TD-160 per theanalogdepot.com) might be a nice step between where I am now and where I’d like to be some day with the Teres, and I’d have a turntable to go with the new ‘expertise’ when I was finished. I’d thought to take my time and sort of savor that first project, though, hence the second question re a ‘no waiting’ turntable, per Buhaki’s suggestion (that’s my cat).

I do wonder whether someone who has done some DIY turntabling might have some favorite resources, references, projects..anything to get a person closer to being able to obtain a few key components (from Teres or wherever else you can get really great TT parts at a modest cost) and to build the rest himself. I wonder if you can manifest the same sort of magic building a turntable as you can building speakers - with a few good components and some research and workshop time, you put together something that can barely be approached sonically for several times the cost otherwise, and that has, as if that weren’t enough, a one-of-a-kind beauty that resonates with your own creative taste.

BTW, Twl, when I said that you had pointed me in the direction of Teres, I was referring to a thread I read several weeks ago, not the recent AR one. Many of your threads (themselves many!) have meant a lot to my wife and me on our way back into recorded music. Keep up the good words.
So perhaps 'building the rest' isn’t as esoteric and tricky as I’d thought it might be. It would be convenient if simply the good care and feeding of the interim turntable would be enough of an education to approach building a proper base and putting the whole 'ultimate' thing together successfully later on. Back in my day you left table/arm/cartridge set-up to the experts, or we did, anyway - but the experts were emphatic about the importance of our leaving it to them. We didn’t touch their delicate adjustments, just played the records.

Re the no-waiting table: As far as I know, we would have a hard time living with the Rega 2 until the spring, which is when I’d be starting work on the Teres (or whichever platter/motor seems the best way to go at that point). I had been wondering about a P25, though. Is the RB 600 not as ‘mod-friendly’ as the RB 250, perhaps? And do I wind up with a better arm in fully modifying a 250 than in partially modifying a 600, or are the end results fairly similar, or...?

By the way, are we alone in here? Is it something about DIY in the subject, I wonder? It's probably my chatty post. I'll be more concise next time - I got sort of carried away by the party of bringing recorded music back into the house!