Digital Source Comparison - An audible difference?


I'm trying to compare with my own ears the difference that people hear, or claim to hear, between digital sources. I realize that it's entirely possible that my system isn't quite to the level where difference are audible but it's pretty simple to do a comparison.

Source 1: Pioneer Elite PD-D6-J SACD Player (on Nordost Sort Kones)
Source 2: Integra CDC-3.4 CD Player (multi-disk)

My plan would be to use two Toslink cables since the Integra is already connected using one and it's fairly easy to obtain another one.

Considering the rest of my system includes an Integra 50.1 AVR, Focal Chorus 836v speakers, and DIY Cat5 speaker cables, would you predict that I will hear a difference?

There is a distinct difference between the two CD players using analog connections, but if they are reduced to being transports that rely on the DAC in the AVR will there still be a difference?
mceljo

Showing 3 responses by almarg

In addition to sonic differences that may or may not result from differences in transport-generated jitter (depending on the amount of that jitter and on the jitter-rejection capability of the dac), if the connection between transport and dac is via an electrical cable you may or may not hear differences depending on:

1)The length of the cable, and the happenstance of the relation between that length and the risetimes and falltimes of the output signals of the transports. Those risetimes and falltimes are usually unspecified. See this paper for further explanation. In other words, you may hear a difference when one cable length is used (with both transports), and not hear a difference when another cable length is used (with both transports).

2)The amount of groundloop-related electrical noise current that the transport and dac collectively may cause to flow through the shield of the interconnect cable, which in turn will affect jitter. That effect is, again, unpredictable happenstance.

3)The degree of mismatch between the output impedance of the transport and the impedance (more properly, the "characteristic impedance") of the cable. That will affect waveform integrity, and may thereby affect jitter.

4)The degree of mismatch between the input impedance of the dac and the characteristic impedance of the cable. That will affect waveform integrity, and may thereby affect jitter. That effect on jitter may be sensitive to which transport is used, because the consequences of the waveform reflections caused by the impedance mismatch depend on the other three effects. In other words, an impedance match between dac and cable which is less than perfect can cause differences to be heard between transports.

Toslink is not susceptible to any of those effects, but I have no reason to doubt what seems to be the prevailing consensus that more often than not it will provide inferior performance compared to electrical interconnection.

None of those four factors have any strong correlation with component quality or component price. Transmission of digital signals between components should be viewed as a system-level issue, which is dependent on interactions between both components and the cable connecting them.

Regards,
-- Al
Hi Mceljo,

Assuming that the impedance mismatches are within limits that are not totally unreasonable (such as might occur if the connection of the shield in a coaxial cable were broken), the resulting reflections will not cause any errors whatsoever in the digital data as received by the dac.

The issue is that the waveform distortion caused by reflections, in combination with noise that will invariably be riding on the signal to some degree, will result in small but significant fluctuations in the TIMING at which the dac senses the transitions between bit intervals. That is what the term "jitter" refers to. Depending on the jitter rejection capabilities of the dac, that can and often will have audible consequences, even though all the bits will be correct. See this paper for further explanation.

Best regards,
-- Al
Hi Mceljo,

Thanks for providing the feedback from your EE associate!

I have no particular familiarity with iPods, docks, Pandora, etc. But assuming that the DAC function is being performed by the component into which you are connecting the dock's cable and "universal port" connector (as opposed to being performed by the dock itself), yes, it is certainly conceivable that jitter could be a significant factor. The magnitude and character of the resulting effects would be dependent on the iPod, the dock, the cable, the input circuit of the component containing the DAC, any noise that may couple onto the relevant signals, and the jitter rejection capability (if any) of the particular DAC.

Another thing to consider, though, especially when dealing with mp3 files, and considering the poor engineering of many recordings generally, is that increased reproduction accuracy can often result in less enjoyable sound. A traditional audiophile dilemma :-)

Best regards,
-- Al