Deciding between Yamaha or Marantz

Ahhh....the mysterious secret "measurements" scam. GImme a break.That's trick older than my Grandpa's buckskin...well you get the point.Snake oil is snake oil.

Interesting....even with the best amplification...MA is not known for their spatial presentation or excessive depth...being a Brit design....they are forward voiced...not knocking them...just an observation...if one seeks depth of stage...try Maggie's or Vandersteen...they really excel in that area...much better than a conventional box design

Soundstaging, dimensional realism, and imaging are speaker performance terms...and in order to achieve this one has to take into account the entire system...not just amplification...where power...or reserve power comes into play...is in dynamics and low distortion...in short...a more liquid, effortless sound...depth and 3d imaging are largely due to speaker design and placement...

FWIW...I have listened to Onkyo over the years...and their products have improved immensely...and they do have the recent reviews to prove it...if they have an advantage..at all...over Denon/Marantz...it would be a the entry level price point...which is more featured focus than music first focus...as one moves up the chain...say 800-1k and higher...the playing field becomes more level...and the overall musicality of Denon/Marantz more prenounced...in terms of audio performance/construction....and value...I thought the Marantz line that was still made in Japan about a decade ago was extremely competitive...