Dealers hijacking the discussions

Yeah, it irritates me too. Some of them are like flies all over the place. They keep begging pretending to offer an expertise. Others are okay, they don’t sound like audiophiles, though, but nor do many participants, dealers or not. Overall, this forum is degenerating.

I understand the dealers'/manufacturers' need to make a living but I don't give a damn about it when participating on this forum.

At least no-one around here pushes brands that I am interested in, except myself, of course. Good. 

Just a thought. When you can audition full Gryphon reference system in Hanoi but not in New York, something is definitely wrong. And when Flemming, the disigner, hangs out over there while supervising the installation of the mentioned system in some club instead of maybe talking to us from time to time, that's not good either. But what audiophile can afford this stuff over here? Most can't even afford that damn Paradigm that Dave is endlessly talking about. Or..what was it?... oh yes. T+A German integrated. No no no, for less I would buy Gryphon, for more I would buy Ypsilon, the German is obsolete, I guess.

Well, some of us are invading their invasion, so ..
I think in this particular thread dealers/manufacturers have more freedom to say whatever they want to say. Given BMW/Mercedes choice I'll take Jaguar any day. Or Aston Martin. And Lexus is an excellent supermarket car, no doubt.

There would be a lot of feedback and a lot of discussion disruption.

Alright. It is very plain and simple. All the dealers and manufacturers, please do us a favour and leave this forum once and for all. Just because you have a formal right to be here doesn't mean that you should. Stop irritating us and humiliating yourselves. This is a not a place to do business.

Then why not the rest of us advertise ourselves too ?  That would be entertaining. Hey, I want to take the opportunity to advance my business too.

nonoise, I agree, I just didn't think of it in those terms.

That's quite a plea, very moving. Do I care? No.