Cryogenic Tubes - Time for a Change


Well it finally happened, one of my (four) EL34 tubes in my Willsenton R8 blew up last night. I knew it was coming. The bias meter had been telling me for about three weeks that this particular tube was loosing its mojo. Before you ask, yes I kept adjusting it's bias to match the others, it just wouldn't stay there for long.

Based on curiosity I just purchased (4) EL34 cryogenic tubes. They should be here by Friday.

I'm curious what folks (with actual direct experience, not your usual "everything new is snake oil" folks) think of cryogenic tubes in their systems?

 

The benefits listed are: 

Expanded dynamic range

Smoother and more refined high frequencies

Increased Bass depth, definition, and articulation

Deeper and more focused soundstage

Lower dynamic noise floor 

Reduced micro phonics

Smoother midrange 

Lower operating temperature and extended tube life 

 

Thanks for your feedback (pun intended) and Happy Listening .

 

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I'll let you know my impressions once they're in my system, hopefully this weekend. 

Whatever it is you guys do during the day, you should quit right now and take your act on the road. You're hilarious. 

I was really hoping to hear a few thoughtful "informed" impressions. Guess that's asking too much here.   

I really wish I could blind A/B comparison test these against my PSVANE (non-treated) tubes. Not having that option means you'll only get my impressions of the CryoTone valves.

never ventured never gained.

@woodsage Thanks for the input. CryoTone tubes come recommended by Decware so I thought I'd give them a shot. I've got a Decware 25th anniversary Zen amp on order and figured I try them out on my R8 before the Zen arrives. I spoke with the owner of CryoTone who happens to have the same twenty year old Swart guitar amp (5 watt) as I do. After our conversation he offered to sell me a set at 50% off, so I'm essentially getting them at the same price as non-cryogenic tubes. Sometimes my curiosity gets the better of me. 

@tomcy6  Prior to posting I ran a search on the discussion board. Most of the comments were quite old. I was hoping to garner more up to date info. That said, there were a few interesting questions/comments I ran across and I've forwarded these to the manufacturer (CryoTone).  

@curiousjim Your question (how can Cryo make a tube run cooler??is a good one. I've included it with the one below. 

"Since tubes are composed of various materials, all of which expand and contract at different rates, one might think that cryo-treating tubes may cause micro cracks, fissures, or gaps where two or more materials meet, causing deleterious effects on the sound and possibly the longevity of the tubes. How does your process address these effects?"

Four EL34's arrived on my doorstep yesterday morning. Christmas came early this year.

Based on many people's comments on this thread, describing their experience of cryogenic tubes as a waste of money, clever advertising, and providing no measurable improvement over their stock tubes, I was simply hoping the CryoTone tubes were not that obviously inferior to the upgraded Psvane tubes I originally purchased with the amp (Willsenton R8).

I spent about 4 hours listening to them in my system yesterday and 5 hours today. I can say without any reservation this was money well spent.

The difference between the old tubes and the new cro'd tubes is not huge, not it's not small either. It was about 2 minutes in that I realized I was hearing something different. It took another 2 minutes to figure out what the difference was. I noticed textures were more vivid with more nuance. Further listening revealed improved micro details. Details that reside deep in the mix are now more articulate. At the extremes, small almost imperceptible "pop" sounds on electronic tracks, like static from old records take on more character. Some of these "pops" now render themselves as wet, or dry, some have bloom and decay where they used to come and go without adding much to the presentation. I guess what I'm saying is I'm hearing deeper into the music.

When comparing old gear to new gear, we often "listen harder" to the new gear because we are naturally biased and are listening so intently that we can't help but pick up on differences and interpret these differences as improvements. While that may be true I have listened to some of these tracks hundreds of times, if not thousands, and I'm 100% confident I've not heard what I'm hearing now. 

I asked my wife, who's not a critical listener what she thinks and she said "the music sounds cleaner". 

I hate to put a number to it, because that just doesn't do justice to the overall change to my system, and i's always going to be subjective. But what I'm enjoying now is at least a 10-12 percent more vivid and colorful presentation. 

Not all cryogenic offerings are the same. Like a lot of tech in this hobby it's all about the alchemy, the synergy of small differences that make music more enjoyable. 

To those that have reservations about measurable differences of cryogenic treated tubes, I recommend watching Decware''s video on CryoTone.

As to the manufacturer's claims about longer life I'd take that with a grain of salt.

@thecarpathian 

That's a good question. CryoTone removes the original branding from the tube and replaces it with their label. My thinking is if they're providing top quality tubes they would want everyone to know about that. My guess is they're probably using a mid quality tube. Starting with a poor quality tube seems to defeat the purpose. I'm going to replace the (1) blown tube with a similar tube (Psvane) and do some A/B comparisons with the CryoTone tubes. Not because I'm questioning my initial impressions but because I feel I owe it to everyone to follow through with this story. Also, it's only fair to let the cryo'd tubes break-in. 

@immatthewj 

My original (brand new) tubes are only a year old.

I'm not an expert on tubes but I'd venture to say they're pretty close to "peak" after 500 hours of burn in.

I believe I just got a bad one from Psvane that red plated on me.