coupling or decoupling of vinyl to/ from platter


Dear all,

I'm puzzled by a number of claims about record clamps and mats. 

I own an old Rega Planar 3, and I was reading about the importance of coupling the record to the platter, to add effective mass to the record to reduce vibrations, slippage etc, and improve the solidity that the groove "image" presents to the stylus. 

I also read about the importance of de-coupling the vinyl from the platter to prevent the transmission of unwanted vibrations from the motor. Rega has a very dense platter made of glass with a fluffy felt mat on top. So, felt to decouple lp from platter, is that right? 

Then, I purchased a cork Music Hall mat, which has a dozen raised cork discs on the mat to BOTH "decouple" the lp from the platter and "grip" the lp.  Music Hall claims that clamps are unnecessary with this mat because coupling discs, etc. I also, without knowing this, purchased a Rega Michell record clamp. The clamp seems to do good things regardless of the mat, and of course evens out warped records a little bit. 

There needs to be, it would seem, a clear objective answer to all of  this from an engineering perspective. Coupling does x, and decoupling does y.  If you look at all the high-end turntables, they have massive platters and clamps. So coupled mass is good for flywheel effect and also  for presenting a solid "image" to the stylus? 

Either Rega and Pro-Ject are dead wrong with felt mats, and have been runaway successes in spite of this, or the felt is adapted to their setup: weak motor, relatively light but super-dense platter, and decoupling felt to manage the motor and rotational noise transmitted up the spindle, and to hell with coupling?  

I did some quick and tentative experiments with the Music Hall mat and clamp vs. Rega felt mat with clamp. I need to do more comparison. The results are different but hard to characterize. I'll post again with more comprehensive subjective tests. 

From an engineering perspective, which should be best, Rega clamp w felt, Music Hall mat by itself, or "screw the mods, Rega it great just the way it is, heretic!!!" ?

Let the games begin!

Paul

paulburnett

Showing 6 responses by harold-not-the-barrel

^^ Geoff is right. Isolating your deck is the starting point. I use maglev feet.

I´m not excited in damping the vinyl, damping the platter (from motor noise) is completely another thing. Coupling/decoupling is complicated in any case.
Sorbothane mats and Groove Isolator by ORACLE do a good job but hard (acrylic) mats spoil the good sound IME with different Delphis (BD) and one Goldmund Studio (DD).


atmasphere, I wanted to say reduce/lessen (motor) noise (excuse my clumsy English). Of course, this alone can´t  fix defective motor or wrong placement of motor. Rubber mat on metal platter lessens noise from outside and lessens metal´s ringing. This is basic physics ? Thick and heavy Groove Isolator on aluminium/magnesium platter reduce noise (ringing). ORACLE´s clamping system is exactly "dishing" record tightly against Groove Isolator and thus platter, and reducing warps. Actually all three become an unity. A very effective damping method, one of the reasons why ORACLE sounds so good, IME at least. This damping method simply works surprisingly well (can´t explain it really). Unfortunately ORACLE took a few steps back replacing Groove Isolator with hard acrylic.

On the other hand, damping the record too much may have serious side effects like compressing the sound, in various extents depending on platter /mat in question. Very complicated anyway.

As I said I´m not excited in damping the vinyl TOO much, I meant to say.
The other option is let the vinyl breathe, but that, of course, is another story.
effischer, you are absolutely right. Thanks for reminding VTA´s importance.

Paul, thanks but I´m just a retired gardener not an audio expert really.
One answer for the dilemma is the Reso-Mat. Ask the designer himself, Vic at Trans-Fi Audio, UK.
tbg,

Can you tell what Final Audio model exactly and why on Earth did you abandon it ? It´s regarded very high among many high-end audiophiles.
Because of your little son ? C´mon.
Just got up from Asylum (where my gear is).
What a great story, like a fairy tale, quite a touching one. I almost cried. 
But the laboratory view made me laugh out loud :)
I´m also living in a cave, most of the time ;_).