Confused as to where to go next...looking for warmth


I hope this is the right place for this posting.  I don't ever post, but do tons of reading and "window shopping."  I have gotten myself into a little bit of analysis paralysis.  I hope that you guys can help clear up the muddy waters for me!

When listening to music, I am using a Bluesound Node 2i, an upgrade over the Apple TV that I was using.  I was using Tidal for both, and now testing a Roon core installed on an Apple computer.
My processor/receiver is an Arcam FMJ AVR 400, but I use it with an external Liberty Audio B2B-100 power amp (200wpc@4ohms), driving an older pair of Totem Forest speakers.  I also have a Totem Model 1 signature center for watching tv.  

I want to improve the 2 channel sound of the system.  My impression is that the Forests and Liberty are very revealing and clean sounding.  I don't have the audiophile vocabulary, but I will try.  I think the system is lacking something, it sounds dark, maybe on the clinical side.  I want the music to better come alive and add some warmth, without sacrificing detail and punch.  Hopefully that makes sense.

The Schiit Freya+ has my attention and I have been looking at DACs.  The Freya may add the warmth that I am looking for, and I can run it in home theater bypass for watching movies/TV.  My DAC research has confounded me, however...

The option I would probably go with, if I didn't decider to tech out to you guys, is to get the Freya+ and Gungnir DAC.  That seems like a matched system, eliminates the HT processor from 2 channel listening, and I would think would be a massive improvement.

The DAC confusion started when I started looking at all of the different options out there.  Topping D90, Tubadour, MHDT Orchid, etc.  So much that I started to doubt the Freya even...

I hope that provides enough detail for what I am trying to accomplish.  My budget can be described as towards the best bang for the buck..trying not to spend more than $2000 +/-, hopefully less than that.  Open to used.  Thanks in advance for your input! 

Andy
Dallas, TX 


andy727

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Hello again...Domestic harmony takes priority over the audio kind.  For experimentation purposes though, can you move them out temporarily?  I'd start as little as 5 feet apart inside wall to inside wall.  If you don't hear something significantly better there, try gradually moving them apart.  When you hit "the spot" the change for better in SQ should jump out at you.  Even if you can't leave them there long term, you'll know what they can do when optimally placed.  Meat on the bones and a real "palpability" to sound is definitely something you should be getting from the Forests.  
Hello @andy727 I have Totem Forest speakers (purchased new 2007), a gen 1 Freya and Gungnir MB...so some reasonable basis for responding to you. The system is posted if you are interested in further detail.

I love the Forests. Sure there are better speakers out there and you can always spend more but I’ve not grown tired of mine. They always step up and reflect improvements made elsewhere in the system. They generate great imaging, generous soundstage width and depth, produce phenomenal bass, are quick, and reproduce subtleties of tone and texture. Music sounds like music from them. I won’t go on so as to avoid nauseating the haters.

Having said all that, what I fought for years was brightness. Those metal dome tweeters could be punishing on poor quality recordings.

Things that GREATLY helped alleviate this in my system (and in no particular order): Gungnir Multibit, burning CDs to hard drive and playing back via Auralic Aries Mini into the Gungnir, Cardas cabling (as pastorbob mentioned), use of Audioquest diagonal speaker hookup (single wiring for bi-wireable speakers), room treatment, attention to speaker placement - distance from one another and from wall behind them, especially), and use of a heavy plinth as foundation for them. I discovered elevating the Forests a good few inches together with some "rake" really helped open up the sound, yet did not (with the other system elements in place as noted) aggravate the brightness issue.

Most recently, I found an Isotek Aquarius power conditioner to greatly benefit sound quality.

I don’t dispute the contribution that amp quality will make on what you hear but I enjoy the Forests with any of 4 very different amps - Merrill Audio Taranis (Class D), Prima Luna Prologue Premium (integrated tube A/B push-pull), Hegel H200 (solid state), and even a "low wpc" (Class A solid state) First Watt F7. Some adjustments, e.g. to placement or speaker hookup might be needed, but the Forests ain’t that fussy (as intended and designed by Vince B.). Things to my ear sound very very good with any of these.

I’ve thrown a laundry list at you. To simplify, the top 2 things I’d suggest starting with are speaker placement and cabling. Borrow some different speaker cable and interconnects from The CableCo.com and see if something might work better for you than the Transparent wire. I’d urge you to first maximize what you can get with your current electronics and then consider upgrading the amp.

Hope this helps and you find what you are looking for from the Forests.



andy727 -

Please update as things progress. 
One additional comment re placement (definitely understand about your wife's preference)...

Though distance from the wall behind will affect sound quality, I found distance between the Forests to also have a huge impact.  Maybe "huge-er", in some ways.  One of the reviewers (Tone?  Audiophilia?) had commented about "pay attention to spacing Vince uses at shows" or words to that effect and noted how sound locked in when you found the correct distance between the two. 

If you have the flexibility, try moving the Forests to as little as 6 or even 5 feet apart.  Do this gradually.  When I first discovered "the closer-together sweet spot" I was shocked by the immediate step-change in bass.  Lyrics (even from Mark Knophler who my wife calls, "the mumbler") were also suddenly much more intelligible.  Closer together if you can do it might give you that "oomph" you feel is missing.  I think the tendency is to space speakers too far apart.