You can find Bryston BDP-3 for good prices used. But I think the storage has to be external (attached or nas). I have their BDP Pi and switch between Roon endpoint and standalone. SQ is really good for such a small device. It will also control an DVD device but thats adding yet another box. Manic Moose interface is certainly spartan but you can use other interface software that is compatible with MPD to manage local files but you have to use Manic Moose to stream Qobuz or Tidal and internet radio.
I’d highly recommend a used Innuos Zenith Mk3 or Zen Mk3 (new or used) streamer/servers that have their own onboard disk drive along with internal storage — everything in one box. Good user interface, excellent sound quality, and great customer support if needed. You also have the option of adding their Phoenix Reclocker down the road for a nice performance boost if desired. There’s a Zenith available here now in your price range. Best of luck.
Having a diverse membership; including dealers, manufacturers, enthusiasts, reviewers, musicians, audio mixers, et al - makes AudiogoN a great place to learn about high end audio. I think it’s wonderful that Audiotroy participates in the discussion forums. He has received several favorable testimonials from members who have purchased gear from him.
The community benefits by learning about a new generation of equipment that he has personally heard and invested in. Not like some opinionated yenta who recommends gear that they read about somewhere. Or mistakenly maligns a manufacturer for poor customer service where he read about it somewhere.
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@soix You have almost 6000 posts. Joined in 2013. Yet, you have not posted your system. No point of reference to gauge your comments.
If you don’t like a post or poster, simply skip over it. It’s very easy.
I think most here are smart enough to see through audiotroy's salesmanship. I doubt anyone would fall for the tactics.
However, one thing I noticed is that the quality of his responses (both content and grammar) has decline precipitously in the last 2 years or so. Previously, at least he used to share his thoughts in an elegant manner and participate in deep discussions while not always pitching his products. Nowadays, it's just blatant advertisement with very little content. Is this a different person posting under the same handle?
I think Audiotroy is as welcome here as most everyone else. If you're disgusted, maybe you're in the wrong place.
thank you steakster
the fact is we put our money where our mouth is we heard the evos were stellar performers so we imported them and then did our do diligence by testing them vs the competition
as you pointed out this is how we all learn about new products
if someone doesnt like our posts please just skip over them
we sell our servers with a two week money back trial so people can decide for themselves to date 0 returns.
also where in the post did we put down the competition?
six we have clients who used to own innous and now use the EVO
no put down there
also innous is not upgradable we used to sell innous
that is a statement of fact In Innous can not be hardware upgraded
a zen can not turn into a zenith a zenith can not be turned into a statement
We did a shootout of our aeon vs a statement with upgraded power supply it cost 3 times more and did not sound better
that is not putting down the competition that is an opinion and an acount of what both of us heard.
censorship in a forum is a bad idea there are rapid aureder fans and maggie and vandy fans who post all the time
if someone says they heard a pair of maggies sound better thea pair of magicos that is an opinion
we all have our favorite products
the difference is we move into new lines all the time
as per servers and streamers we have sold most of them including aurender sotm, Innous, auraylic and a few others
Dave and Troy
audio intellect nj
I've got no horse in this race, but audiotroy has as much right as anyone to say that he prefers one particular piece of kit over another. Almost everyone on the forum does that in one way or another. That said, he does often come across as a shill, which to my mind does more damage than good for any marketing intent he has. Lots of people are put off as the conversation approaches used car sales pitch territory.
As for me, I tend to just ignore specific thread posts that don't interest me, so no vote from me one way or the other as to whether he stays or goes. It's up to the forum moderators to determine if any no-no line has been crossed.
Not a fan of the shameless promotion when we have run other people off this forum for being shills and peddlers.
He should take an ad out on this site.
Most other dealers on this forum have the integrity to refrain from posting on threads like this.
Personally I would never spend a dime with that outfit.
It would be nice if other dealers beside @audiotroy also posted. Seeing a discussion or civil debate between dealers might provide information that doesn't come out when only a single dealer posts.
As for the comment to soix,
I've had made sense of any number of posts by soix and others without referring to their system. Why the heck would that be necessary to gauge their comments? Befuddling remark.
There is a "bottom feeder" aspect to this behavior- no matter the topic, this dealer will weigh in, and attempt to make a sale. If Audiogon is about monetizing opportunities, especially for those in the trade, the dealer should pay for advertising. You don't see Ralph, Duke or others shilling their products aimlessly; far from it, they weigh in with knowledge and advice, without looking to "sell" their wares. I would figure anybody who needs to do this is not the kind of dealer I'd want to do business with anyway. It is annoying behavior though.
Agreed. Nor do they contact you via private message to let you know about deals.
Use an Apple iphone with its lightning port as output. Just get a lightning to USB adapter but make ABSOLUTELY sure it is Apple's own or certified. MOST el cheapo ones from Amazon do NOT work.
The iphone runs all apps, over wifi and over cellular network. And you can get a second hand iphone X for about $300 and it does exactly what you want.
I just got into streaming about six months ago. I bought a new Bluesound Node N130, $600, a better USB cable, $225 and a linear power supply, $475.
It’s hooked up to my router and through the router, to my NAS that has about 1500 CD’s on it. It’s plugged it into an external DAC and the to my integrated. My CD player and Transport ( I have about 1600 CD’s) are also plugged into the DAC.
Total cost is about $1300.
It’s true I am a “ rapid “ Vandy fan….. rabid test rabbit done died…..
while the future proof upgradability of hardware is of clear interest to many ardent audiophiles, One important consideration for the OP might be software… A streamer / server is quite software intensive…. So pick a long lived firm with a history of successful software rolls…and support…. at 440 hz….. smile :-)
I have owned 5 streamers / bridges and listened to perhaps 20 more. Starting at the bottom end the iFi Zen Stream sounded very good but was hell to live with, The Stark sounded wonderful but was worse, totally incompatible with my Mac environment even the dealer couldn't make it work. The Marantz was so bright I stopped using it and went to a separate dac. Tried Sonore but eventually decided I like music not fixing problems every day. So onto other potential solutions beg, steal and borrow, Aurendar, Moon, Lumin, Cambridge Audio etc. a mixed bag probably more due to DACs than any thing else. Eventually decided 1, get a better DAC so Denafrips came on board, 2, don't ever use the screen so why pay for one and potentially have a component inside my box that is needed. Eventual solution, Lindemann Limetree Bridge. Compared extensively in store against others costing 4, 5, 10 times more, I could tell no difference. Had a year works all day every day, sounds great, good app.
Basically I did the same, I was happy with the Bluesound Vault 2 until I could step up to use an outboard DAC with it and then up to the Aurender N200. The other suggestions are good also, but you need to compare what functionality each company offers (or doesn't) with their product to what you want to be able to do.
I recently upgraded to a Aurender N150, I'd go with them, thing is built beautifully, and sound is phenomenal, dead quiet and I put 500 CDs on the internal SSD in .wav and they sound better than ever.
I used to have a Sonos Connect mod wright and all my music playing from a NAS through the modded Sonos and it sounded awesome, the Aurender playing them directly from the internal SSD blows the old setup away, I do also do a little streaming on Qobuz, but the internal SSD files sound the best, the HiRes stuff on Qobuz is pretty good though.
My vote is Aurender, the only thing I wish they did was include a IR remote, just for play/pause and skip tracks, I dont love having to do everything while getting a tan from a ipad screen during a listening session.
everyone is going to recommend the brands they use so here’s mine
Wolf Audio Systems. I use a LUNA R pure digital. Wolf works with stillpoints and audience for their internal vibration control, and wiring. If your music system is in your TV room, The Wolf 🐺 can hook up to your television and display your music on your TV as well and you can use a wireless mouse to navigate through your server or roon or whatever. They are built in Florida and they can be remotely accessed from the manufacturer who is available almost all the time to help over the phone. I had an issue this week and all I had to do was call Joe and he access to my server and fix it while I was at work.
also the sound quality… it’s amazing but don’t take my word for it. It’s also a stereophile recommended component.
Audiotroy does not hide the fact that they are a dealer. Dealers can offer insight, have experience with different products and are exposed to things we are not. I want to hear from people/dealers with that experience. Dealers that put themselves out there are at great risk on these forums because they know that if someone buys something from them because of a recommendation they made and it does not perform or if they give bad service, they will be destroyed on the same forum with negative comments. In my mind, I would feel more comfortable with a dealer like that because they know all eyes will be on them.
Congratulations on your retirement! One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post is App interface and tech support. A robust, well laid out app interface that allows for easy browsing and access to / curation of your stored music is equally important as choosing the right hardware. For longevity, sound & build quality and worry free operation, I highly recommend one of the Aurender streamer that fits your budget.
Before you spend a few grand on a streamer/server I have a suggestion. For reference, I'm using an ASUS gaming laptop, PSA PerfectWave MkII DAC, PSA PerfectWave transport, Krell preamp and amp, and Thiel CS6 speakers. I have hooked up my laptop to my DAC using an average quality 15' USB cable. I ripped my CDs (over 4,000) to uncompressed FLAC using dBPoweramp.
If you have a laptop handy you can do a little test that may be enlightening. I'm assuming that you have Tidal or Qobuz and you also have a CD player. Hopefully your CD Player/DAC has a USB input.
On my system I can't hear a significant difference between the ripped file and the actual CD. I'm pretty sure that in a blind test I couldn't tell them apart. Same thing when I play the same version of the CD through Qobuz. I've tried this with several CDs (using one song to do the test) on several different days and I'm comfortable that if there are audible differences they are not significant to me.
I'm not adverse to spending good money on a streamer/server but so far I can't justify it. I wouldn't expect a ripped file or the Qobuz version to sound better than my CD player but I'm really surprised that they don't sound worse. If you follow the conventional wisdom, my setup should lead to horrible sound. I'm using a supposedly noisy PC and I'm hooking it up with an inexpensive long USB cable.
One possible explanation for this homogenization is that my DAC has a "Digital Lens" that buffers and reclocks all incoming data. All I can say is that I'm glad that I spent an evening geeking out on my system so that I wasn't blindly spending significant money on an alternative setup. I am probably going to go with a Roon Nucleus at some point but more for convenience than sound quality.