I was trying to find a way to demo this "Clever Little Cock," put that phrase into Google and got some sick porn stuff. Were you innocently expecting to find yourself a clever little bedtime story? |
as long as gullible people have dispoable income Actually anyone with disposable income is eligible to participate. I'm expecting my second unit in the next few days. |
Bearotti, The Pebbles, in my experience, provided greater soundstage depth. I seem to recall that it also increased system resolution, but my recall on that point is suspect. I've written about my experience with the Clever Little Clock at the link shown below. Clever Little Clock Listening Impressions |
Audiofrankj, I have mine listed on my system page under "Various Accessories". |
Zaikesman, can you provide evidence to support your assertion that the Clever Little Clock is fraudulent? |
Charlie101, I have this notion that an allegation of fraud requires some sort of substantiation. Where did you get your notion that Actually it's up to you and the manufacturer to provide empirical data of its' performance not the other way around. |
Well said, Bill. And quite reasonable too as applied to one's discretion on whether or not to invest time and money on the evaluation of any given product. Eldartford, I havn't seen where Zaikesman, or anyone else, has established that the Clever Little Clock runs counter to all laws of science. And for that matter, has science ever truly established itself as the final authority on reality? In real terms it's obvious that it hasn't, in legal terms—I wouldn't know. Obviously a standard of some sort must exist in order to warrant judgment, but science? One would also think that any legitimate legal system must have as its requirement, real victims in order to establish fraudulent practice. Since this product carries a money-back guaranty, where could such victims be found? |
Audioari1,
Time travel??? PLEASE explain. |
Albert, not to worry, I've got really good news for you. Psalm 103 |
Eldartford, that seems to be exactly the amount of effort and concern our mentally taxed society will make towards establishing truth. Pity us. |
Audioari1, I accept your challenge. I'd like to use a $1,200 cord if you wouldn't mind though. Heaven only knows, besides the monetary prize, what it is about these Challenge offers that motivate me so. |
Audioari1, I am no longer a betting man, but depending on the conditions and rigor you stipulate for this testing I can only say that I will seriously consider any proposal you choose to offer. Please write me privately to discuss anything you have in mind. |
Audioari1,
Your parameters work for me, if this can be done in my own home, count me in at once. If not, I have some research to do. How does geography play into your thinking? |
Audioari1, I would have to know what you have in mind for protocol, conditions, and required number of iterations before committing fully to your Challenge. Assuming those items prove acceptable to both parties, I'm all for it. My most problematic stipulation would be that the test occur within my own system. Who would administer this DBT? Please contact me privately to work out the details. |
Audioari1, I've committed as firmly as possible until you supply some additional answers.
Again I ask,
Who will administer the testing? How does geography play into your thinking? IOW, can this testing take place in my home? If not, what do you have in mind for the geographical location fo the DBT? |
Seems to me it hurts the industry and it discourages people from getting involved in the hobby. How so? My take is that people hearing this fascinating phenomenon would be drawn to the subject of better sound reproduction. |
Eldartford,
I enjoyed the short ditty
But find it a pity
That poets take such license with facts
I do suspect that Bose would rock with a couple Clever Little Clocks in the room now that you mention it. |
Audioari1,
Chicago is roughly equidistant to each of us. |
I am surprised that Wellfed has agreed to this. Who cares what others think?... Norm, I guess I'm simply a sucker for a good Challenge. Regarding concern over what others think, the line for me is charges of fraud without substantiation. Picture a Geico caveman as I say, "That is NOT cool!" |
I wish Elizabeth had been here a couple of days ago when I incorporated a second Clock into the mix. I don't think anyone would have missed the improved sense of transparency, the rich sonority, and soundstaging depth that the second unit provided. A third unit is on its way while I'm devouring everything I can read on P.W.B. technique. |
I wish Elizabeth had been here a couple of days ago when I incorporated a second Clock into the mix. I don't think anyone would have missed the improved sense of transparency, rich sonority, and soundstage depth that the second unit provided. A third unit is now on its way. |
Elizabeth,
Egocentric bullshit detectors abound. Despite widespread problems with accuracy, they still tend to score quite high in consumer satisfaction polls. ;-) |
Norm,
I very much doubt that you'd be disappointed if you elect to. Two are seriously better than one and I'll soon be finding out whether three are better than two. And one is certainly enough to thoroughly impress. |
Like audio is a mental excercise? Where is there truth in that? Any audiophile worth his salt knows that it is an observational excercise. Audiophiles can be fooled by their senses into thinking they hear something that isn't actually present, but the notion that they are 'always' fooled is the thing that is truly absurd, not to mention unbecoming in its presentation.
The problem 'really' is what sceptics presume to 'know', without proper investigation. |
Yes, power cords, terribly amusing and novel stuff there. That last 6 feet...zzzz |
Sherod, that would be a dead giveaway. Besides, it's not terribly likely that this testing will occur in my system. I still have to get back to Audioari1 regarding setting up a test in Chicago, a geographically central location to the both of us. |
You sound a lot like Ford Prefect in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Zaikesman. So long, and thanks for all the quips. ;-) |
And you Guido sound like Slartibartfast. |
Guido, I hope you truly took the Slartibartfast comparison as a compliment, despite the somewhat sophomorically amusing(?) name. |
And have we knocked this thread off course yet? That would seem to be the plan, or alternately the effect of too much Lightning in a Bottle. ;-) |
Norm,
Must admit, I haven't a clue. ;-) ;-) |
Sherod,
There definitely seems to be significantly lower ROI going from 2 to 3 in my system. I haven't been able to do a proper evaluation for a variety of reasons. Hopefully by tomorrow I'll have a very good handle on the matter. |
Sherod,
I've done a simple A-B on my own, but no, I haven't enlisted anyone else in order to do this blind. |
Slips happen! Just ask Siggy F. ;-) |
I will do just that Guido, this was my response to your recent admonition—"Enjoy the CLC!" |
Yes, I do see what 'she' means. |
...you are creating no flames. . . it's just smoke... Having personally tried the device in question, I beg to differ, it is amazingly effective within my system. |
Thanks Guido, you're not going to 'insist' that it's merely a placebo, or are you? :-) |
Mr. Corona, that's a relief, you've been a big help. ;-) |
Thanks again Guido, I will do just that. |
Two pretty much seems to be the magic number for me. I have a third unit here that I'm evaluating and it hasn't matched the dramatic effect provided by the first two. I'm going to pull it out of my system one day soon to see if it's one of those things one misses after it's gone. |
I seem to recall Dave Clark's clarification taking place at Audio Asylum. I think his moniker over there is drclark. |
Zaikesman, the Clever Little Clock has only been on the market for a few short months. The nocebo effect requires a subject that exhibits a negative view toward the test object. |
<> Always refer to unorthodox statements as "claims," which are "touted," and to your own assertions as "facts," which are "stated." Here's a gem from the Daniel Drasin piece Geoff Kait linked to above. I am surprised that he didn't mention the tactic of using an adjective such as "anecdotal" in front of the word testimony in order to trivialize the level of satisfaction or veracity expressed in those testimonies. Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky. |
Audioar1, which 11 weren't so good? ;-) |
Wellfed is a biblical reference from Phillippians Ch. 4 v. 12 that refers to being content no matter the circumstance. Phillippians 4 |
Zaikesman, I know from experience that neither one of us will have a change of heart as a result of these discussions so I see no point in risking alienation with continued debate.
Live long and prosper as the logical one once said.
I will contact you privately with a few points of interest. |
I'm searching for meaning here Zaikesman. ;-) |
Ochlocracy tends to stifle meaningful discussion. |
